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[Wentos]

Yes it had humor, but it took itself seriously and its characters, unlike Flynn's insulting happy flippant attitude. Did you miss the part about everyone losing their family and loved loves thorough a horrifying ordeal and just having to survive?

To be fair, after Endgame just about everybody got their parents back (Sonic, Sally, Antoine, even Tails eventually). Not to mention that the monarchy has been maintained, even after Robotnik's return. There just isn't enough tragedy in the comic to justify the level of melodrama you want. None of the characters have it that bad.

Wentos, I really wonder if you really been in the fandom to know the simple fact that epretty much most of the fanbase hates SATAM/Archie with a burning passion., Jesus just go Sonic Staduim or Sega's forum to get a good idea.

Admittedly I don't troll the seedier Sonic forums, though I have heard that the posters at Sonic Retro are especially salty. I was just talking from personal experience. You can't judge an entire fanbase just by the fringe internet kooks.

And how may of those have had an ongoing story?

In that sense I suppose the Sonic comic is an aberration. But I think you're giving neckbeards too much credit. Kids are just as responsible for the continued success of the comic, if not more so.

Popular enough to get several interviews on several sites. Something telling about his popularity and what most fans want out of Sonic

So getting interviewed on a couple websites is some sort of mandate from the Sonic community at large? What a ridiculous notion! If you weren't an uber-hardcore Sonic nerd you wouldn't even know Other-M existed.

A year and a half actually. I have used my money to buy every comic from 0 to 207 including every special,Knux and Sonic X comic and have thoroughly immersed myself in the western Sonic fandom to the point where it seems like an old friend. So no am no small kid Wentos.

Again, why are you acting like Ian has perverted something you've held dear for years, when you yourself admit that you've only be a fan of the comic for a year and a half? Your disdain for Ian and inexplicable devotion to the old guard just makes you come off as a massive poser.

IPretty much every member of the small minority of SATAM/Archie I've talked to want something wants a more serious Sonic, Since thats one of the main appeals of SATAM.

Well, at least you admit you're in the minority.

And don't tell me that Shadow and 2006 were a disaster because they were dark. This is bullshit, since Since SATAM and pre Ian archie are loved BECAUSE THEIR DARK! Shadow and 2006 sucked because they were horribly written pieces of shit, with glitches that rival Superman 64.

There's a distinct correlation between Sonic being written too "seriously" and the writing coming off as amateurish and embarrassing. It's not just in the games; just look at the comic itself from about issue 125 onward.

Especially issue 134 and onward. Ugh.

Plus, Dan Drazen's famous Mobius Apocalypse is also know as a fan fiction darling and is grim dark and written by one of the top three most popular members of the fandom.

That's awesome. What part of, "I'm not interested in these nerdy non-celebrities and their grimdark fanwank" are you not getting?

What a thoroughly pointless argument.

Pointless arguments are what make the internet great!

Tails fights to save his island home from an army of robot... birds. Exactly how they've been shoehorned into the continuity remains to be seen, but it can't be worse than how they worked in the Special Zone. Or can it?

Actually, Ian has been foreshadowing the Battlebird Armada pretty much since his run started. We know already that both Bean and Predator Hawk are Armada deserters. It remains to be seen whether Mobian birds are somehow born into this strange fraternity, or they're conscripted once they're found by the Armada. In any case, Ian is also incorporating the Babylon Rogues into the Armada's roots, which ought to be interesting. Between that and the Battle Lord making comments about their past, we may actually see the "descended from space genies" origin incorporated into ArchieSonic canon.

I personally would find that hilarious, but I can see how the more dour fans might not be so amused.

[Cheezmatt]

Actually, Ian has been foreshadowing the Battlebird Armada pretty much since his run started.

Yes, we know. That's not an explanation though, merely name-dropping, much like how the city of Soleanna was referenced in a throwaway line some issues back. We've yet to hear how it fits.

Between that and the Battle Lord making comments about their past, we may actually see the "descended from space genies" origin incorporated into ArchieSonic canon.

I personally would find that hilarious, but I can see how the more dour fans might not be so amused.

But of course. Those grumpy naysayers just don't like FUN!

[MongooseLady19]

To tell you the truth I'm just sick and tired of Archie Contardecting themselves I mean in the furture issues they said that Sonic and Sally got married and had kids and then in the present they broke up I Mean make up your mind's.

[MongooseLady19]

I've been reading the comic's since issue 19 of course it was hard to find the comic around here so I'm missing alot of issues I mean I don't even think I have 50 plus I lost some of my oldest issues (like issue 19).

[chief]

When did Tails become so rich and get a island home?

[henryiii]

Admittedly I don't troll the seedier Sonic forums, though I have heard that the posters at Sonic Retro are especially salty. I was just talking from personal experience. You can't judge an entire fanbase just by the fringe internet kooks.

Fringe kooks? How are people from Sega of America forums kooks?

that's awesome. What part of, "I'm not interested in these nerdy non-celebrities and their grimdark fanwank" are you not getting?

Dan Drazen not a celebrity? Um......Dan Drazen is one of the most loved members of the community, I'm really starting to think you've been living under a rock for the last few decades.

So getting interviewed on a couple websites is some sort of mandate from the Sonic community at large

It shows the amount of attention hes getting, which in turn shows how many fans are caring about what he did.

What part about Other-M being HUGELY POPULAR didn't you understand?

Again, why are you acting like Ian has perverted something you've held dear for years, when you yourself admit that you've only be a fan of the comic for a year and a half? Your disdain for Ian and inexplicable devotion to the old guard just makes you come off as a massive poser.

I spent every day of of a year and a half getting myself immersed with the fandom, researching its past, reading past interviews with creators , finding out fans opinions on various things, talking with and browsing people on many forums, getting a feel for the fandom's pulse, finding out who' who, etc, etc.

just because i'm "relatively" new, doesn't mean I don't have experience or can't ally my self with a portion of the fanbase I agree with or whatever.

Or better yet somepeople can do something for years to be good at something and yet others need only a year. The laters me

[Wentos]

But of course. Those grumpy naysayers just don't like FUN!

Is it a bannable offense to say a moderator is butthurt?

Fringe kooks? How are people from Sega of America forums kooks?

They're hateful hardcore fans with ridiculously exaggerated opinions. Just because they use the official Sega forums to voice their nutjobbery doesn't make it nutjobbery.

Dan Drazen not a celebrity? Um......Dan Drazen is one of the most loved members of the community, I'm really starting to think you've been living under a rock for the last few decades.

I know who Dan Drazen is, but that's only because I'm somewhat familiar with the Sonic community. Outside of our little internet enclave, I guarantee you no one knows who he is.

And he isn't loved. A lot of people think he's an idiot.

What part about Other-M being HUGELY POPULAR didn't you understand?

IT'S NOT POPULAR. It's just some shitty fanfic. You're living in a dream world.

just because i'm "relatively" new, doesn't mean I don't have experience or can't ally my self with a portion of the fanbase I agree with or whatever.

Meh. I guess. It's still weird hearing someone talk about the halcyon days of the comic when they weren't even around for them.

[LaserX5]

Yeah enough is enough I wish that they would just go back to the way it was but this is still a good comic.

As long as Archie continues to write the Sonic comic, it will continue to down spiral to mediocre garbage.

The only way I see this comic maybe getting better is if another comic book company such as DC or Marvel buys the rights to the Sonic comic and puts their team of writers and artists on it.

I don't know too much about the history of these 2, but they can't be any worse than Archie, who is the king of relationship drama.

While love triangles and relationship drama can make a story more interesting, Archie though takes it way too far. There are times I could swear this is the Mobian version of Archie and his pals.

[Cheezmatt]

Is it a bannable offense to say a moderator is butthurt?

Nah, but it's a warnable one. Here's a more serious-mode response: keep the debate civil without launching into baiting rhetoric or colorful phrases from chan boards. That goes for both sides of the discussion.

[Juice16]

What a thoroughly pointless argument.

yeah, but watching it play out is always interesting.

[Dakota Bob]

Say what you will about the comic, Tracey Yardley! has really improved the quality of the art.

[Cheezmatt]

That was sarcasm, right? It's hard to tell sometimes.

[LaserX5]

Say what you will about the comic, Tracey Yardley! has really improved the quality of the art.

Still, I prefer the artist who was one the comic before him.

Yardley's art style reminds me so much of Sonic X.

[Dakota Bob]

That was sarcasm, right? It's hard to tell sometimes.

I take it you don't like it then.

[Cheezmatt]

Well to be fair, he has provided some nice emoticons...

Okay, to give a proper answer: Yardley's strength is his 'comical' style, or at least the ability to draw stupid faces, and is best suited for lighthearted slapstick plots. That approach fit the Sonic X comic like a glove, for instance. Unfortunately, that style completely falls short when the plot takes a more serious tone. Almost all attempt at dramatic tension is diffused when the art is permanently goofy. He's seemingly incapable of reigning it in - the characters are drawn with obnoxiously over-the-top expressions so often they actually become mundane, which is a pretty big feat. And for all the praise Yardley gets over his 'consistent' style, he's also had a big hand in homogenizing the cast's visual design even further, such as Sally being given the same cookie-cutter proportions of almost every other Sega character. With much of the cast looking so samey and a reliance on exaggeration rather than subtlety, it really does smack of laziness, albeit a different sort than being just plain bad.

Although it is pretty funny to see just about every character drawn with the exact same aghast expression of horror, at some point or another, over his tenure on the comic.

[randomizer]

When did Antoine become the judge of manliness?

[Morgan]

I have to agree with Matty. I'm not very well versed with the comic after #184, but I have seen the artwork since, and it's only really best for slapstick. It's hard to take comedic style seriously amidst a serious plot.

[Dakota Bob]

Well to be fair, he has provided some nice emoticons...

Okay, to give a proper answer: Yardley's strength is his 'comical' style, or at least the ability to draw stupid faces, and is best suited for lighthearted slapstick plots. That approach fit the Sonic X comic like a glove, for instance. Unfortunately, that style completely falls short when the plot takes a more serious tone. Almost all attempt at dramatic tension is diffused when the art is permanently goofy. He's seemingly incapable of reigning it in - the characters are drawn with obnoxiously over-the-top expressions so often they actually become mundane, which is a pretty big feat. And for all the praise Yardley gets over his 'consistent' style, he's also had a big hand in homogenizing the cast's visual design even further, such as Sally being given the same cookie-cutter proportions of almost every other Sega character. With much of the cast looking so samey and a reliance on exaggeration rather than subtlety, it really does smack of laziness, albeit a different sort than being just plain bad.

Although it is pretty funny to see just about every character drawn with the exact same aghast expression of horror, at some point or another, over his tenure on the comic.

I've never really thought of it that way before, it's a good point. although to be fair, how long has it been since they have done a "dramatic" issue? 176 maybe?

When did Antoine become the judge of manliness?

Probably when he started banging a cyborg

[randomizer]

Probably when he started banging a cyborg

Possibly. However, that very quote from him reeks of irony.