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[Ratty Randnums]

Micheal Bay's Platinum Dunes, who've most recently brought us the pointless Nightmare on Elm Street remake (before that giving us the also pointless Friday the 13th and Texas Chainsaw Massacre remakes) is going to make the next Ninja Turtles movie. Discuss.

[Chaosmaster8753]

Looks like Nick buying the TMNT might turn out to be a bad move, especially since Mirage has no control over it.

[Shadow]

Am I the only one who LIKED TMNT? :s

[John Roberts]

Chainsaw Massacre remake, and it's awesome prequel, were pointless? Yeah, whatever, Ratty. Fifty bucks says you haven't even seen most of those movies you just trashed.


I'm always up for any new TMNT stuff. Was kind of hoping we would get another CGI movie - the last one was a lot of good fun. As long as it's only Bay's Company making the film, and not Michael Bay himself, this could turn out pretty interesting.

Sarah Gellar for April!

[Chaosmaster8753]

Am I the only one who LIKED TMNT? :s

No, I liked it and I wouldn't mind a sequel w/Shredder.

[chief]

Yeah, Im down for TMNT. As long as they dont do the CG horrably. Personally I prefered animatronics myself... But CGing is starting to get good finally.

[Vlad Yvhv]

I never liked the movies much... The cartoon was better. So, I file this under "remake of a bad movie". It'll be interesting to see how it turns out, but I certainly won't be spending money to do so.

[Ratty Randnums]

Chainsaw Massacre remake, and it's awesome prequel, were pointless? Yeah, whatever, Ratty. Fifty bucks says you haven't even seen most of those movies you just trashed.


I'm always up for any new TMNT stuff. Was kind of hoping we would get another CGI movie - the last one was a lot of good fun. As long as it's only Bay's Company making the film, and not Michael Bay himself, this could turn out pretty interesting.

Sarah Gellar for April!

Hehe indeed I haven't. I have the general attitude that remakes, especially of movies that are less than 3 decades old, are pointless. (I didn't like the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre btw, so what chance would there be that I'd like a remake?) And it's obvious from all the complaints and non-reactions I've heard from hardcore fans of Freddy and Jason that the intentions of these movies was simply to milk the last drops out of the cow. Most movies don't need remakes, but some movies REALLY don't need remakes, and imho Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street are in the latter category.

Also it doesn't matter if you liked TMNT or not. The people who made that movie no longer have control and probably won't even be associated with this upcoming project.
Peter Laird sold the entirety of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles characters and brand to Viacom/MTV/Nickelodian for like 60 million dollars a couple months ago.

[Vlad Yvhv]

Also it doesn't matter if you liked TMNT or not.

Actually, that very much matters. If people like the originals, they often tend to hate remakes. If they don't care much for, or outright hate the originals, then they're more likely to enjoy the remakes far more than someone who liked the originals. Almost all remakes will make this split.

The new Friday the 13th is a good example of this. Some of us find the original to be quite forgettable, while others love it. Those who love it generally hate the new one. Those of us who don't care much for the original find the new one to be a better version. Personally, I think it works better with Jason being the killer, than his mother. An old woman running around killing people just isn't as good as a nearly-superhuman psychopath avenging said mother.

Another good example is John Carpenter's remake of The Thing. The general consensus is that the old version sucks. And Carpenter's version is generally considered to be the definitive "The Thing", with the old one fading into obscurity.

[chief]

TMNT only sold for 60 million? Thats..suprisnings little... Mind you the franchise has gone down a lot since we were kids.

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

I've grown sickly callous to Michael Bay's actions. It's ninja turtles. Their just kid's cartoons that aren't as good now as they were in the 90's anyway. Sure the CGI movie was entertaining, and the older movies were pretty fun. But I honestly couldn't care less anymore.

At least he's off raping the less important cartoons and staying far away from remaking any concept or film that used to have any actual depth.

[Morgan]

Hehe, not that it's related to the topic, but when I hear about Michael Bay, I think of Megan Fox being fired from Transformers 3 allegedly for calling him Hitler and Napolean.

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

Hehe, not that it's related to the topic, but when I hear about Michael Bay, I think of Megan Fox being fired from Transformers 3 allegedly for calling him Hitler and Napolean.

Megan Fox has Nazi turrets!

[furrykef]

My goodness, this is delicious... HITLER!!

[Prime]

Platinum Dune's Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Friday The 13th and A Nightmare On Elm Street weren't remakes, they were reboots to their franchises. Big difference. Sometimes rebooting a franchise is the best way to go instead of running it into the ground. The last few Friday The 13th movies in the original series weren't exactly brilliant and neither was Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare (I count Wes Craven's New Nightmare as a stand alone outside the original series continuity) but Freddy VS Jason was a decent send off for both characters of their original runs. However, there wasn't much else you can do. As much as I hate to say it, Robert Englund is getting on, but he did an excellent run in the role and will always be Freddy to a lot of people. As for Jason? The guy has visited New York, been sent to Hell, shipped off into space, and been killed more times then I care to remember. I'd rather a reboot then say Friday The 13th Part 23: Jason Shits His Pants.

I love how when a remake, reboot, reimagining, re-whatever comes along, it automatically ruins said franchise forever, even before it's been released. People don't like change, yet if they carried on churning out crappy sequel after crappy sequel, people then want them to kill off said franchise. I'd rather a fresh start to anything then the same old shit which leads to no more from the franchise.

[Vlad Yvhv]

"Reboot" is just a modern term for remake, to try and avoid the stigma usually associated with "remake". The big problem with these is that they ARE remakes, and generally tend to be made just to capitalize on the name of the series. A bad remake is worse than a bad sequel, because then it's trying to set itself up for more bad sequels, and it's generally just a rehash of the origional, rather than anything new.

Also, until they got to Kane Hodder, no one else had played Jason for more than a single movie. So, that character lends himself better to being played by people other than Kane, than a character like Freddy, who is perty much tied to Robert Englund. Jason is perty much just the outfit. Freddy to an extent IS Robert Englund with the makeup and voice. Much like Ash Williams IS Bruce Campbell with a chainsaw hand and shotgun, or John McClane IS Bruce Willis tossed into anti-terrorist situations. It's better to let the franchises that are tied to the particular actor die, rather than try to continue the franchise with someone else portraying them. People don't like change, when it comes to what we've become familiar with. We like them because they work. And when you screw around with what works, you're goinna break it.

[Silent X]

Michael Bay's all right. The two Chainsaw Massacres were really good. Anyway this should be good, at least likable, though I pretty much enjoy everything TMNT sans Fastforward and the third live action film. Nothing's gonna top Secret of the Ooze though.

[furrykef]

"Reboot" is just a modern term for remake, to try and avoid the stigma usually associated with "remake".

No. A "reboot" is forming a new continuity, generally with a different cast and possibly other, different elements, and it needn't be based on a particular previous work. A "remake" is when you make a new version of an existing film, with essentially the same plot, also with a different cast and whatever.

Star Trek XI is a reboot because it replaces the Original Series continuity with its own version (aside from some babble about how they're actually in an alternate timeline, and Future Spock is from the TOS continuity).

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a remake because it's the same story between the two versions, it's just with a different cast, whereas Star Trek XI was not based on a previous Star Trek film or episode.

In short: if you're retelling an entire story, it's a remake. If you're telling a new story (while 'erasing' the previous stories), it's a reboot.

[Prime]

Also, until they got to Kane Hodder, no one else had played Jason for more than a single movie. So, that character lends himself better to being played by people other than Kane, than a character like Freddy, who is perty much tied to Robert Englund. Jason is perty much just the outfit.

Sorry, I'ma calling bullshit to that. Anyone can play a role like that, but Kane Hodder gave Jason Voorhees life. Much like how Ted White did it in The Final Chapter, something about Ted White's performance as Jason gave the character something the previous two behind the mask lack. Ted gave Jason anger, he wouldn't just kill you for the sake of it, he was going to do it because you trespassed on his home. He was going to make you suffer. Kane did the same, but he also expanded upon it, giving Jason certain movements, such as turning his head first and then the body would follow. He would breath heavily, tilt his head and so forth. Hell, even in Jason X in the opening scene, we see Jason stare at a guard and just from watching him close up his eye a little, he showed us that Jason was planning something.

I was pissed when Kane Hodder was dropped from Freddy VS Jason, but Ken Kirzinger was good in the role. I was pissed that Kane, someone I had enjoyed watching play Jason for the four movies before it was no longer behind the hockey mask, but it was down to the creative choice of the director, studio, whatever was the reason. Ken did a fine job. Would Kane have done better? Can't say.

Same thing can be said about Nick Castle playing Michael Myers in the original Halloween. Nick had a certain movement that made Michael seem more natural when he walked. When Dick Warlock was cast in the role in Halloween II, Michael walked like a fucking robot.

Just because it's a character that wears a mask, doesn't mean anyone can play it and give that role something beyond walking around and killing people. If the producer had his way, Robert Englund wouldn't of even been back for A Nightmare On Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge. Go and watch the scene where Freddy kills the gym teacher in the shower room. That ani't Robert Englund but an extra in a rubber mask. It was only because that extra did such a bad job then the director demanded they get Englund back.

[Masterge77]

I have only one thing to say about this:

WORK ON TRANSFORMERS 3 AND ONLY THAT!!!!!!!!