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[The Man]

Now you're making me hungry for some Special K, but it's Chief's turn for him in his roast topic.

I'm trying so hard with the roast of chief topic I have to try something here.

[Tristan Palmgren]

Though of all the SatAM plotholes there are...how about Robotnik being able to access his roboticized servants' memories in Season 2, yet never using it to find Knothole's location? If he had roboticized Cat, that could've come in handy.

Maybe it only... works on dragons... and roboticized elderly hedgehogs who've rediscovered their free will...?

Yeah, that's the ticket.

[Vlad Yvhv]

Memories seem to be tied to the regaining of free will. So, a roboticized individual may not have any accessible memories to use. And since Robotnik obviously has yet to figure out how to make power rings, he can't jolt them back to themselves.

[Tristan Palmgren]

So how'd it work on that dragon in "Dulcy?"

[The Man]

Haven't you guys solved this is Season 3? Filled in missing pieces.

[Vlad Yvhv]

So how'd it work on that dragon in "Dulcy?"

Possibly the same way Sonic was able to jolt Muttski's memory in Heads or Tails without a power ring... The dragons seem to be more of a transition species: somewhere between feral creatures and Mobians. So, their brains may work differently. Notice that in Blast to the Past, Dulcy's mom acts more like what one would consider an animal, than a mobian?

[Roareye]

I love you guys talking about this stuff, keep it up Gives me more feul for the SatAM Fisher scripts I may be a bit quiet but I am keeping up on stuff for inspiration (I'm also ina play this week lol).

[Mithrandir]

So how'd it work on that dragon in "Dulcy?"

Possibly the same way Sonic was able to jolt Muttski's memory in Heads or Tails without a power ring... The dragons seem to be more of a transition species: somewhere between feral creatures and Mobians. So, their brains may work differently. Notice that in Blast to the Past, Dulcy's mom acts more like what one would consider an animal, than a mobian?

I'll try to split some hairs here: it could be that Robotnik is capable of accessing information from his "Robians", but only basic, general information; so accessing the mind of a roboticized dragon may only offer an encyclopedia-esque summary of their species, still valuable for discovering weaknesses.
Accessing more than that and "tampering" with memories could accidentally lead to a roboticized being fighting their programming. When he knew Uncle Chuck was already free of the programming, he saw no problem with trying to dig deeper into his mind, since his programming was already compromised.

I'm sure that doesn't totally pave over that pothole, but, hey, worth a shot.

[silversurfer2]

It is strange that Cat was never mentioned again the show. You would have thought maybe they would have at least mentioned him at least once. Maybe they just didn't want to think about it?
Another thing is that could have been a basis for an entire episode, where robotnik made a clone of him and the FF's don't realize it. Who knows?

[wildfire]

I actually thought about this one day while I was at work. Something told me Cat would be embittered and feel abandoned by his fellow Freedom Fighters. I thought maybe he would have escaped somehow and began a counter-freedom fighter movement, only to have Sonic remind him of the truth of the matter in the end.

[John Roberts]

It is strange that Cat was never mentioned again the show. You would have thought maybe they would have at least mentioned him at least once. Maybe they just didn't want to think about it?
Another thing is that could have been a basis for an entire episode, where robotnik made a clone of him and the FF's don't realize it. Who knows?

Someone made a fanfic with that idea.

[furrykef]

It is strange that Cat was never mentioned again the show. You would have thought maybe they would have at least mentioned him at least once. Maybe they just didn't want to think about it?

The show's writers never really worked together to make things like that work. There's whole bunches of stuff that could have been picked up on but were just completely dropped... the most glaring ones being:
* The secret scrolls in season 1 were completely forgotten. Do we even know what they were supposed to do?
* The season 1 arc where Sally looks for her father was basically retconned away in season 2, since the situation with her father in season 2 seems inconsistent with the whole Ironlock Prison thing in season 1
* Rosie's return in season 2 had no significance as she never appeared again (though I imagine that would have changed if there were a season 3)

So, basically, everyone had their own plans and the result was a bit of a mish mash.

[Vlad Yvhv]

I actually thought about this one day while I was at work. Something told me Cat would be embittered and feel abandoned by his fellow Freedom Fighters. I thought maybe he would have escaped somehow and began a counter-freedom fighter movement, only to have Sonic remind him of the truth of the matter in the end.

That doesn't seem like it wold work. Sonic wanted to free Cat, but Cat insisted that he go and warn Sally and Ant instead. And Sonic did come back for him, but he was gone. Cat is old and presumably a seasoned freedom fighter. It just doesn't make any sense that if he'd managed to escape, he'd go against the freedom fighters. That makes about as much sense as Sonic deciding that Ant's a great guy... Glass hammer logic...

[The Man]

Consider Cat like on Roger Rabbit. Dissappearing reappearing ink.

In the Way Past Cool interview with Ben Hurst in your Box Set he explains each episode had wins and losses for the FF's. BTTP brought Rosie back, but Sally still lost two ff's prior as far as we know.

[wildfire]

I actually thought about this one day while I was at work. Something told me Cat would be embittered and feel abandoned by his fellow Freedom Fighters. I thought maybe he would have escaped somehow and began a counter-freedom fighter movement, only to have Sonic remind him of the truth of the matter in the end.

That doesn't seem like it wold work. Sonic wanted to free Cat, but Cat insisted that he go and warn Sally and Ant instead. And Sonic did come back for him, but he was gone. Cat is old and presumably a seasoned freedom fighter. It just doesn't make any sense that if he'd managed to escape, he'd go against the freedom fighters. That makes about as much sense as Sonic deciding that Ant's a great guy... Glass hammer logic...

IU had reasoning for it that at least made sense to me. But for the life of me I can't remember what it was.

[The Man]

Cat chose to sacrifice himself to save Antoine and Sally. I'd think if he returned to Knothole he'd be happy they made it out and destroyed the Stealth Bombers.

He would simply give Antoine a paddling of the freedom fighter canoe.

[CTM]

* The season 1 arc where Sally looks for her father was basically retconned away in season 2, since the situation with her father in season 2 seems inconsistent with the whole Ironlock Prison thing in season 1

If I recall correctly, a certain FUSer whose name rhymes with Bristan Balmgren wrote a fanfic to explain that problem.

[Masterge77]

Wikepedia and some sources say he was roboticized, but we may never know the truth, perhaps the writers had him planned for season 3.........

[TurboFox72]

I just thought that he just got Robotisized. Although it would've been cool to see him come back in season 3.

[The Man]

This is almost topic worthy but I think Robotnik would seriously hurt furries if they avoided the robotisizer. The robotisizer is more humane than death. The main drawback is remembering everything you did after being derobotsized.

The Swatbots are inconsistent with firing at Sonic because he's more valuable alive. I'm trying to make out Robotnik as not so evil. But this is about that one ff', so what do i Know?