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[henryiii]

When did I say that Sonic ran away from responsibilities, or that he was entirely a loner? Amazingly, I SAID NEITHER. I said he was a character who didn't HAVE those responsibilities, and whose emotional bonds didn't come in the form of commitment. Sonic and Tails is a great example of that: they're like brothers, but neither one truly hinders the other in living their life. Tyranny and injustice are fine to dislike (I know very few people who don't,) but putting that in the form of a kingdom and a love life hinders the overall message of PERSONAL freedom that the dislike of tyranny and injustice stems from. Sonic shouldn't have anybody consistently running his life and telling him what to do, whether it's an evil dictator like Robotnik or a well-intentioned girlfriend like Sally

I don't see what wrong with Sonic protecting a kingdom, which by itself is the very symbol of the very type of freedom Sonic fights fore. And how is it interfering with his life if he's helping his friends with the very thing he and they want? The very friends he grew up with and the same girl he played with and fought with for years with. Whats the point of having a love for freedom, if you don't want to get committed to help and to not have responsibilities to others?
It kinda makes Sonic sound selfish and hypocritical in a way. Sonic should be a noble individual, not some ones who says fuck you am doing this my way and no one elses

cept! There are a dozen better ways, and the comic already expresses that! Especially in the form of characters like the other Freedom Fighters who Sonic can still be close to AND NOT WANT TO SMOOCH

Again, what's wrong with Sonic having depth and having feelings with someone who can balance him by being his voice of reason and to have someone that just makes him a better person and character?

I personally find yours and SEGA interpolation of Sonic deeply troubling for many reasons.

[PuffinGrandeur]

I don't see what wrong with Sonic protecting a kingdom, which by itself is the very symbol of the very type of freedom Sonic fights fore. And how is it interfering with his life if he's helping his friends with the very thing he and they want? The very friends he grew up with and the same girl he played with and fought with for years with. Whats the point of having a love for freedom, if you don't want to get committed to help and to not have responsibilities to others?
It kinda makes Sonic sound selfish and hypocritical in a way. Sonic should be a noble individual, not some ones who says fuck you am doing this my way and no one elses

Sonic is somewhat selfish, but there's nothing hypocritical about it. He fights for personal freedom and entertainment: he believes that EVERYBODY has the right to live the way they want, not just him. He stops Dr. Eggman because it's the right thing to do, not because of a personal obligation TELLING him he has to stop the guy. Also, fighting for a monarchy is a very silly way to fight for freedom anyway, seeing as all it means is changing over which guy is telling everybody what to do. It's not really fighting for freedom then, as much as fighting for feudalism. But with Sonic stuck in one place anyway, might as well.
Also a love for freedom only meaning something if you force yourself into a commitment and responsibility for others is somewhat silly, as that is just limiting your freedom of your own accord. It's not a BAD thing to do by any means, but it certainly doesn't really fit with the major character theme here. Which is PERSONAL freedom, not democracy, just as a reminder. There can be nobility without the traditional knight image, and Sonic stands as an example of that, even in the comics. Heck, even in the cartoons!

Again, what's wrong with Sonic having depth and having feelings with someone who can balance him by being his voice of reason and to have someone that just makes him a better person and character?

Well, two things. First, that's not an appropriate response, since I didn't say Sonic shouldn't have any depth or feelings. In fact, my statement was that he not only has both, but that both can be and are properly explored WITHOUT him wanting to mack a girl up (I... I don't know slang.) If the only way Sonic's character has any depth at all is to date a character that either treats him like a little kid or a pet, then THAT'S troubling. Secondly, to assume that a free character being weighed down by a character based on responsibilities is automatically made BETTER and deeper because of it is just silly. What does it REALLY add, that makes stripping away his central theme so very necessary? Is a character without responsibility REALLY that much less of one?

[DLTN]

Henry V Puffin: round.... Christ knows lol

My knowlege of the Archie comics is a little fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure the current king is not a dictator and did'nt even want the job in the first place. He, with Tails' father, gave some control back to the people in the form of a council. Sonic fights for them because he knows Elias is not another Robotnik, and he is not like Max either, who in my opinion... is a cock. Sonic probably sees a lot of himself in Elias (Personality wise) and knows the Kingdom is in good hands, hence, why he fights for it.

I believe in a mixture of both your opinions regarding Sally. I do not really think he should be in a relationship, but you cant take away all the years of friendship and love between them. They both need each other and they both know it. They almost MARRIED before he was thought dead in #125, and they both know they love each other, at the moment they just dont know how to show it.

But I've mentioned who my ideal pairings are (If there had to be) on each continuity before.

[LaserX5]

I never liked having Antoine/Bunnie together. It always weirded me out,

It wouldn't have been so bad if their relationship had been more developed like Sonic and Sally's was.

But it was like these 2 were thrown together without any thought as to why they like each other and so on.

[DCC]

When did I say that Sonic ran away from responsibilities, or that he was entirely a loner? Amazingly, I SAID NEITHER. I said he was a character who didn't HAVE those responsibilities, and whose emotional bonds didn't come in the form of commitment. Sonic and Tails is a great example of that: they're like brothers, but neither one truly hinders the other in living their life. Tyranny and injustice are fine to dislike (I know very few people who don't,) but putting that in the form of a kingdom and a love life hinders the overall message of PERSONAL freedom that the dislike of tyranny and injustice stems from. Sonic shouldn't have anybody consistently running his life and telling him what to do, whether it's an evil dictator like Robotnik or a well-intentioned girlfriend like Sally

I don't see what wrong with Sonic protecting a kingdom, which by itself is the very symbol of the very type of freedom Sonic fights fore. And how is it interfering with his life if he's helping his friends with the very thing he and they want? The very friends he grew up with and the same girl he played with and fought with for years with. Whats the point of having a love for freedom, if you don't want to get committed to help and to not have responsibilities to others?
It kinda makes Sonic sound selfish and hypocritical in a way. Sonic should be a noble individual, not some ones who says fuck you am doing this my way and no one elses

cept! There are a dozen better ways, and the comic already expresses that! Especially in the form of characters like the other Freedom Fighters who Sonic can still be close to AND NOT WANT TO SMOOCH

Again, what's wrong with Sonic having depth and having feelings with someone who can balance him by being his voice of reason and to have someone that just makes him a better person and character?

I personally find yours and SEGA interpolation of Sonic deeply troubling for many reasons.

I agree with henry iii, I want to see a nobler Sonic who would chose to be unselfish and willingly give up a little of his freedom to have a relationship with Sally. I agree that he is a better creature/character when he is with Sally.

[Aircadets1]

Guys just to say im back this is IAMAWESOME the reason i have been inactive for 2 years is that i forgot my password/ FUS but im back.

[furrykef]

The "forgot password" feature didn't work?

[Teirusu]

Even though I think SonAmy's kinda cute, I'd rather it be that Sonic's true love is Adventure itself like he said in Adventure 2, romance wars are annoying.

For me, the most accurate answer:

Seeing this pics, and seeing the feelings and behaviour of this hedgehog, he will be always free, I cant imagine him engaged with someone.





Anyway if I must choice, I prefer SonSal, At least he speak with Sal, with amy he only hide and run

[furrykef]

I think any sane person would run and hide from Amy.

[Reed Teran]

I've had VERY bad dreams with amy in them...
I do agree with teirusu and kef. Sonic shouldn't be burdened with stuff like romance, engagement..marriage...CHILDREN... because remember, all his profiles say he hates being restrained or unable to be free. He will never be able to commit to that stuff!
And, like teirusu said, Sonsal is more understandable, whereas sally and sonic have their lovey moments...since amy's first appearance, sonic has been fleeing from her.

[RedAuthar]

Just to also note: Sonic's like 15-16. He really shouldn't be thinking about marriage yet.

[Teirusu]

Important note...I forgot his age .

Who knows, maybe in 5 years he get bored of run and run and decide engage with someone

[Misk]

I personally only support SonSal in the continuities that she is present in, as in there there are clearly feelings between the two of them.

Outside that, however, I agree with those that say Sonic's one true love is adventure. Perhaps at one point he would settle down, but until then, there's no evidence to support any pairing.

[RedAuthar]

In the games I kinda prefer the Sonic and Blaze pairing to Sonic and Amy anyways.

Comic/SatAM-wise: Sonic and Sally. Period.

[Uncle Ben]

SonSally. nuff said

[Hammer]

SonSal when talking about the continuities Sally's in.

In the Sonic games... meh, I've never really thought about it. I wouldn't want Sally to be introduced in the games, and I'm not a big Amy fan either.

[Uncle Ben]

I wanna see Sally in the games. Mix things up a bit

[Gremlin 24]

i am coming into thsi thread knowing only that, inevitably, it deviated from it's original purpose (i think there is an antione/bunnie thread elsewhere, random stranger)

to me, i'm a sonally fan first but i support both pairings, so i don't understand why so many people dislike sally. my personal theory is, and i don't mean to be prude but: i think most sally haters are just your stereotypical anime fangirls who grew up seeing Amy in love with sonic, and when they found out about sally, her canon status in the comics and her sizeable jugs... i mean... fanbase, they all got angry like we can expect from some chick who watches naruto or south park something (not meaning to be hypocritical in the naruto statement. I love hetalia axis powers!) and as for the south park statement... search the fanfiction database and try to find a story with a pairing that isn't homoerotic.

of course there are other theories.

and Uncle Ben... seeing Sally in the games is... OK but i'd like to see another game in the style of Sonic Adventure... think Sonic 06 if it didn't suck... hard.

so me... i'm not hoping. well i am hoping but thats saved for stuff like Mega Man X9 or Fallout 4. not hoping for sally in the games but i am hoping that Sonic team will at least try to use their brains, think of that little word called "innovate" (sonic generations was i think pretty much the same as unleashed, just with a new character, less cheap unavoidable deaths and a story with more holes than there were glitches in sonic 06) we will at least get a fresh new sonic experience.

see what i mean about the forum deviation?

why isn't pewdiepie playing resident evil? any of them?

Rebellion Studios Rogue Warrior... is it really that bad? i heard it was the worst game ever of 2009, it got like worse ratings than Sonic 06 and MindJack... MindJack!

Cheese, Gromit!

[Teirusu]

i am coming into thsi thread knowing only that, inevitably, it deviated from it's original purpose (i think there is an antione/bunnie thread elsewhere, random stranger)

to me, i'm a sonally fan first but i support both pairings, so i don't understand why so many people dislike sally. my personal theory is, and i don't mean to be prude but: i think most sally haters are just your stereotypical anime fangirls who grew up seeing Amy in love with sonic, and when they found out about sally, her canon status in the comics and her sizeable jugs... i mean... fanbase, they all got angry like we can expect from some chick who watches naruto or south park something (not meaning to be hypocritical in the naruto statement. I love hetalia axis powers!) and as for the south park statement... search the fanfiction database and try to find a story with a pairing that isn't homoerotic.

of course there are other theories.

and Uncle Ben... seeing Sally in the games is... OK but i'd like to see another game in the style of Sonic Adventure... think Sonic 06 if it didn't suck... hard.

so me... i'm not hoping. well i am hoping but thats saved for stuff like Mega Man X9 or Fallout 4. not hoping for sally in the games but i am hoping that Sonic team will at least try to use their brains, think of that little word called "innovate" (sonic generations was i think pretty much the same as unleashed, just with a new character, less cheap unavoidable deaths and a story with more holes than there were glitches in sonic 06) we will at least get a fresh new sonic experience.

see what i mean about the forum deviation?

why isn't pewdiepie playing resident evil? any of them?

Rebellion Studios Rogue Warrior... is it really that bad? i heard it was the worst game ever of 2009, it got like worse ratings than Sonic 06 and MindJack... MindJack!

Cheese, Gromit!

By my side, I don't hate Sally. I just don't like comic storyline...I mean freedom figthers and all the world around it. I'm sure are people like me, that only like videogame story, so normaly that people "hate" Sally. I really don't care, I made my point before. The only love of Sonic is adventure, not a girl. I don't have nothing about the personality of Sally, I think at least give an example about females, she is clever, not a b1tch stalker (All know who I mean ^^).

Would like Sally on videogames? Not really, not so much interested on add in a videogame SatAM. I said not interested maybe they could add them and make the game interesting but by my side I don't find something interesting.

Anyway I don't dislike any character on Sonic right now. I like someone more, someone less, but right now I still think no one should left...even Chris. They are funny for me even if they are annoying

I hadn't understand the last reference about Pewdiepie.

[Uncle Ben]

I know alot of fans have asked Sally to be in the games for years