Sonic Syndrome returns. They knew no one would buy anymore of their shitty storybook games or the next "Sonic the hedgehog" 06 which promised to high heaven it'd reinvent Sonic. This was only move they could pull and I was actually expecting it, when they called 06 "Sonic the hedgehog" to get people thinking/comparing it to the original.
Frankly I'm not happy about "Sonic the hedgehog 4" because with the way the company works now it won't continue the SoA storyline. It'll be Sonic the hedgehog 4 for the JP version perhaps. But I wasn't a huge fan of that storyline. I preferred the American interpretative approach to the Sonic world. It's kind of sad because the implication is that they're trying to erase the SoA genesis gaming storyline out of existence. To make everyone forget it. Now I'll have to deal with more dumbass fanboys who think it was just a localization of the JP story. 9_9
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Sonic The Hedgehog 4 Is Coming Out!!!
Started by Robthe1st, Feb 04 2010 11:42 AM
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Posted 05 February 2010 - 11:49 AM
QUOTE (Miko @ Feb 5 2010, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Frankly I'm not happy about "Sonic the hedgehog 4" because with the way the company works now it won't continue the SoA storyline. It'll be Sonic the hedgehog 4 for the JP version perhaps. But I wasn't a huge fan of that storyline. I preferred the American interpretative approach to the Sonic world. It's kind of sad because the implication is that they're trying to erase the SoA genesis gaming storyline out of existence. To make everyone forget it. Now I'll have to deal with more dumbass fanboys who think it was just a localization of the JP story. 9_9
I understand where you're coming from, but there may still be hope. Despite Robotnik being called "Eggman" and being drawn as his post Sonic Adventure self, the story in this game may be simple enough that it could fit into the Mobius-based Western back story without any problems.
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Posted 05 February 2010 - 01:30 PM
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How do you think the Homing Attack should be implanted?
Well for one thing, I personally think they should have the Homing Attack as a special shield powerup. I'd rather have the Insta-Shield be his default "Push jump twice" action. I feel special actions such as the Homing Attack and air dashes should be things that you have to earn by finding them in an item capsule and have skill to keep by not getting hit rather than being a regular move (Kind of like keeping your fireballs all the way through a stage so you can use them on a boss in the Mario games for example)
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Posted 05 February 2010 - 10:52 PM
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How do you think the Homing Attack should be implanted?
Well for one thing, I personally think they should have the Homing Attack as a special shield powerup. I'd rather have the Insta-Shield be his default "Push jump twice" action. I feel special actions such as the Homing Attack and air dashes should be things that you have to earn by finding them in an item capsule and have skill to keep by not getting hit rather than being a regular move (Kind of like keeping your fireballs all the way through a stage so you can use them on a boss in the Mario games for example)
To answer your question, something like that.
but if we wind up with something like Sonic Advance I won't cry.
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 01:22 AM
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Oh good we're not all whining and bitching because Sonic isn't using retro style and has a homing attack... phew.. thank you FUS for redeeming SOME of my faith in the fandom.
Although I'm not quite "whining and bitching about it", I'll point out that any Sonic that isn't retro will probably never feel like "Sonic 4" to me. I think calling it Sonic 4 is silly; there's no way it's going to capture the same spirit of the original trilogy.
Which is a different thing from saying it will suck. Hell, it could be a fantastic game for all I know. It just won't feel like a true sequel.
(As for it continuing the storyline from S3&K... come on. The games didn't have a storyline. Oh, sure, there's the whole thing about the Death Egg and the relationship between Knuckles and Robotnik, and... that's about it. I doubt many people have ever really cared.)
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 02:26 AM
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Now I'll have to deal with more dumbass fanboys who think it was just a localization of the JP story. 9_9
Look on the bright side, Miko: This will give you even more opportunity to flood forums with walls of text and debates!
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Now I'll have to deal with more dumbass fanboys who think it was just a localization of the JP story. 9_9
Look on the bright side, Miko: This will give you even more opportunity to flood forums with walls of text and debates!
ROFL
Anyway, I'll keep my eyes on that game, maybe it IS good.
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You know, thinking about it, a few parts of Unleashed became 2D like this... maybe they were testing it there to see if we'd like it? Or if it'd work well?
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Now I'll have to deal with more dumbass fanboys who think it was just a localization of the JP story. 9_9
Look on the bright side, Miko: This will give you even more opportunity to flood forums with walls of text and debates!
Which would at least bring traffic! Seriously though, If dealing with them were something to eagerly look forward to, I'd be elated.
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 02:31 PM
Wait, there are people who actually care about the storyline of the Genesis games??
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 03:17 PM
That's not as surprising as those of us who actually know the games HAD a storyline back then. What began as "Sonic beats Robotnik for turning his friends into robots" actually became episodic after a few more games. Sonic 2 lead directly into Sonic 3 which lead directly into Sonic & Knuckles (sad that I know this right?), so my guess is, chronologically, that this game falls somewhere in between S3&K and Sonic CD. The visuals are updated a little to cater to the newer fans, but the fact that they're doing it at all should be seen as a good thing.
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Wait, there are people who actually care about the storyline of the Genesis games??
Because Sonic 1 was TOTALLY centered around story.
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Wait, there are people who actually care about the storyline of the Genesis games??
Because Sonic 1 was TOTALLY centered around story.
You know that makes for two rather heated comments from you in a row only 2 minutes apart. Are you on your period or something? It's not like I was telling you something like "ur an idiot drinking the Sega kiddy coolaid!!!!11" Nor do I expect everyone to share or understand my sentiments here. I just wanted to say I'm not especially thrilled right now. That's it. I have that right.
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Wait, there are people who actually care about the storyline of the Genesis games??
Someone has clearly missed the canon wars where many a fanboy whine about how everything that was written by Japan is the 'true' story. Lucky you. I only care about it, because I get sick of people bitching about how I'm not a true Sonic fan if I don't like the Japanese story. And it wasn't as much the content as much as the ideas behind the writing. I agree more with SoA's interpretative approach to Sonic that allowed Sonic to be for everyone. He was what you imagined.
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I love how all of the internet is bitching about this. The game's not even out. And yes, this is the game that's gonna put Sonic back at the top.
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I love how all of the internet is bitching about this. The game's not even out.
About what?
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And yes, this is the game that's gonna put Sonic back at the top.
I'll wait and see. I do think 3 seconds of gameplay's a bit little to make judgements like that though. It's not like I'd swear off looking at the game. My discrepancies simply make me somewhat uncomfortable.
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Wait, there are people who actually care about the storyline of the Genesis games??
Because Sonic 1 was TOTALLY centered around story.
You know that makes for two rather heated comments from you in a row only 2 minutes apart. Are you on your period or something? It's not like I was telling you something like "ur an idiot drinking the Sega kiddy coolaid!!!!11"
Those comments aren't "heated" at all, and I think you're taking them far too personally. It's perfectly reasonable to point out that the Genesis games had paper-thin plots that always took a backseat to the gameplay, and it's also reasonable to point out that it's ridiculous to take those storylines too seriously, no matter how much fanwank there is over continuities.
I'll withhold any solid judgment on the game until we get to see more footage, but for now I'm cautiously optimistic. SEGA at least appears to be putting effort into this, and they'll be walking on eggshells if they're going to try to please a fanbase that's notorious for being unpleasable.
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Those comments aren't "heated" at all, and I think you're taking them far too personally.
I'll have to disagree. Within two minutes he attempts to belittle me (in two different topics) for having an interest in the subject of storylines regarding Sonic the hedgehog, even if it's mostly because of things like canon wars. I think I got it the first time and could see if I was imposing my feelings on him. He could've at least contributed something else to the discussion in such posts or even something to make it clear he knew for what specific reasons I am worried about the storyline (that he'd know if he read the other topic).
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It's perfectly reasonable to point out that the Genesis games had paper-thin plots that always took a backseat to the gameplay,
What does that have to do with the fact fanboys go about ruining the experience for people whining over what is the "true" canon for Sonic the hedgehog regardless? It's something I made mention of in OP the other topic he attempted to be witty in (and it's written very early on in the post too I might add). So if he's going to make responses he should at least make it clear he knows why I'm bothered. It's not wrong to be somewhat uncomfortable about such fanboys' reactions to this game and I'm not asking him, or anyone else to share my feelings.
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 02:11 AM
He wasn't even talking to you. He said Sonic 1 had no storyline.
No one is attacking you.
And, no, don't reply to this with more of your paragraphs, for Christ sake. Just let it go for once, will ya? Please?
No one is attacking you.
And, no, don't reply to this with more of your paragraphs, for Christ sake. Just let it go for once, will ya? Please?
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It's perfectly reasonable to point out that the Genesis games had paper-thin plots
Only, I don't think that Miko's complaining so much about the lack of storyline, so much as the potential problem we might have if SoJ attempts to merge Sonic 4 with their mainstream (failing) spin-off series. I think that might also be the fears of many other fans as well. With Sonic 4, they want the opportunity for the series to go back to a simpler period in time, however, with potential (even if) rejected spin-off characters such as Shadow being considered as potential candidates to enter the game for example, makes one ponder just how true to the classic they intend to make this. Is this yet another marketting gimmick to sell new-aged games like how Next Gen was?
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 02:24 AM
I wonder if it would be a bad thing if they did re-introduce Shadow into this Sonic 4 game. I mean, if they did so in the same way as, say, Knuckles was introduced into the series. Keep everything in that same 'simpler period' way. I reckon I could be okay with that.
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