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@  furrykef : (25 July 2015 - 03:35 AM)

When was that? Depending on when it was, it might have been a DNS issue. Those should be gone now.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 10:10 PM)

on*

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 10:10 PM)

Red said he couldnt get one

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself


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#1 wildfire

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 02:34 PM

A while back in a fit of boredom (and while on a Zelda kick) I decided to come up with a solution to the much debated problem of continuity in the Legend of Zelda series. So, using the games I own (and wikipedia) I came up with what I think is a pretty difinitive timeline for LoZ. I've since been wondering what to do with the essentially useless document, and I figured why not post it here for the perusal of like-minded people. Here you can look the timeline over and share your thoughts. Also, Spirit Tracks wasn't around when I did the origonal document, so i'll hafta add that one in when I know more.

EDIT

Updated the timeline to include Spirit Tracks and made a few changes about Phantom Hourglass (since I now own it.) Over all, no big changes, but people who haven't read it yet should know I changed it.

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EDIT 2

After watching a video posted in this thread, the timeline has undergone some serious changes. It's still a singular timeline (as opposed to split) but there's some extra amendmants regarding the placement of a few games. I've left the original timline up for perpetutity this time, check them both out and tell me if the changes make sense.

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 03:57 PM

I think I'm missing some... certain games which involve a king wondering what's for dinner and a humming shopkeep?

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 03:44 PM

Not too bad. I think Spirit tracks fits in after Phantom Hourglass since the 'cellda' games seem to be direct sequels to one another. Most people I've talked to consider the games 'not' containing Ganon to not be part of the series at all, but I liked your incorporation of the four swords story.

As for your question: Where's Fayore? I recall reading once that Ages and Seasons were supposed to two parts of a trilogy, but the third game hit several snags due to the password compatibility system and 'actual' story, as well as release dates. (to be honest, what would it be called? What was Fayore supposed to be the oracle 'of'? It should be noted that the Master sword 'also' becomes available in these games through the story continuation/password system between the sequels, so how that exactly fits in is a mystery to me.

Another oddity is that Din, Naryu, and Fayore all exist in Minnish Cap, supposedly some sidequest to help them find/build homes, but once again Fayore gets the shaft, as she does not get a house of her own, despite wanting one. I'm starting to think they're doing it on purpose. tongue.gif
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Posted 31 January 2010 - 04:00 PM

QUOTE (Massagraf @ Jan 30 2010, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think I'm missing some... certain games which involve a king wondering what's for dinner and a humming shopkeep?


If you're talking about the CDI games I have a simple answer...

THEY DON'T EXIST!!!

Zelda fans and Nintendo in general kinda swept those abortions under the proverbial rug. The whoring of the Zelda license is one of the worst debacules in gaming, and the masses agree on the simple solution of just saying that CDI never made those games.

I'll be updating the timeline to fit in Spirit Tracks when I know more about it. From what I can tell it involves yet another Link and Zelda, but i'll have to play the game itself to know more. I included the Four Swords games because of the trident's involvement. I've tried to include all games of merit (Link's Crossbow Training obviously didn't make the cut.) but if people know something I missed, feel free to point it out.
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Posted 31 January 2010 - 10:44 PM

What we need is a modern/futuristic Zelda game. Replace the swords with chainsaws or something... And bow with a sniper rifle or gatling gun... Though, it'd probly not be too much of a leap to figure that a sequel to Twilight Princess could happen in times more similar to the old west, given the progression of technology...

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 12:30 PM

I just got the image of Link in a cowboy kind of outfit. The next LoZ game is already in production tho, and i'm gonna be pissed if they make Link right handed. Link has always been and always will be a lefty.

In other news, I just read in wikipedia that Spirit Tracks takes place 100 years after Phantom Hourglass. This supports my theory that the original Legend of Zelda games take place on a different Hyrule than the Ocarina of Time series. The same article says that The Minnish Cap takes place before Ocarina of Time, but this conflicts with what Miyamoto had previously said about OoT being the beginning of the series. I suppose it's possible, but I perfer my placement. My major question now is wether or not Spirit Tracks takes place before or after the original Legend of Zelda. I think it was before, but I can't be sure until I play the game.
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Posted 01 February 2010 - 04:39 PM

I'd have to think that the ones not actually containing the same Link, et al (or a lineage) are probly more likely to be alternate worlds, as one would think that after a certain point, they'd either stop naming kids "Gannondorf" or start killing all the ones with that name... And really, that is a goofy name... "Gannon" is more menacing. "Gannondorf" sounds like one of those names that practically guarantees that they'd get lots of wedgies and swirlies as a kid... Which really would explain just why he's always intent on perty much destroying the world...

Also, Link was ambidextrous in the origional. He always kept the shield in the hand facing Death Mountain.

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 12:03 AM

The general concensus is that Link's name becomes a tradition in his family, that all members of his line name their first-born sons Link. That would easily explain the name being repeated throughout the generations. A similar situation was actually cannonized in the original Zelda II manual where it states...

" Zelda's brother had tried to force her into telling their recently deceased father's secrets concerning the last of three sacred golden triangle treasures of his kingdom, known collectively as the Triforce. Princess Zelda refused to reveal its location, and the prince's wizard friend, in anger, tried to strike her down with a spell. Zelda fell under a powerful sleeping spell, but it also resulted in the wizard's own death. The prince, unable to reverse the spell, had his sister placed in the castle tower, in the hope that she would one day be awakened. He decreed that princesses born to the royal family from that point on would be named Zelda, in remembrance of this tragedy."

With the addition of the new Link and Zelda in Spirit Tracks, that brings the total numbers out to...

Links 8
Zeldas 9

As far as Gannon(dorf) goes, there's only ever one. In Ocarina of Time Gannondorf attains the Triforce of Power, gaining the power of the gods. This grants him near immortality (I say near because he dies in LoZ). I think he'll likely return again somehow or another, maybe his followers will succeed in that ritual from Zelda II or something. I think he shortened it to Gannon after so long since everyone who would have known him was long dead.
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Posted 02 February 2010 - 12:41 AM

Updated the timeline to include Spirit Tracks and made a few changes about Phantom Hourglass (since I now own it.) Over all, no big changes, but people who haven't read it yet should know I changed it.
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Posted 02 February 2010 - 12:55 AM

I dislike the notion that all Zelda games somehow exist in the one timeline. And here I thought The Wind Waker's connection to Ocarina of Time was uneven at best; this is on a whole new level. Not to disparage your efforts of course, it's an interesting endeavor.
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Posted 02 February 2010 - 01:33 AM

I'm too lazy to read right now, but I did see an existing timeline for the LoZ series a few years ago, I think either before Wind Waker was made or after. Just can't remember where.

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 12:27 PM

I read the notion that the games existed in two differnet timelines (with the split being at OoT) but I found that to be less believeable than my timeline overall. I also read that The Minnish Cap was supposed to go before OoT, but I can't abide by that since Miyamoto himself said OoT was the beginning. I think my reasoning for the timeline's placement is pretty good, but people of course can feel free to disagree. Hell, i'd be happy to see an alternate timeline if anyone feels up to it.
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Posted 02 February 2010 - 02:10 PM

Isn't the Zelda Timeline supposed to be one of the most zealously contested debates in nerdom today? Even more so than the now fading "Which sonicverse is the TRUE version" debate?
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Posted 02 February 2010 - 08:05 PM

The timeline debate is a huge one between Zelda fans, there are actually two different camps, those that beleve in a single timeline or those that believe in a dual-timeline theory.

The dual-timeline theory says that at the end of OOT there are two endings(this is confirmed though an interview with the game's director) and two different hyrules are created with each their own timeline and historys. One hyrule where link is sent back to relive his childhood and one where Link was erased with Ganondorf sealed in the scared realm.

I personally find to the dual-timeline theory to be the most logical with the game's stories.

You can see more on the dual-timeline theory here.

Also I view the minish cap happening before OOT.

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 09:11 PM

Okay, here's a spin for ya. The Triforce was supposed to be the great powers of the gods. Ganondorf, in OoT, tries to snag it, but only manages to get one because he's unworthy of the other two, and those pieces go to people who would be most likely to obtain it, thus sealing the link/zelda/ganondorf triangle for a general eternity. This appears to be the case in that each of them have the mark on their hands, and the respective triangles alight. This mark still exists in later games, even when the Triforce changed from power to powerful objects.

But at what point did the triforce change from a solid object of magical power, to merely the essence imbued into the entity? Let's use your timeline, shall we? I've already mentioned OoT, MajM doesn't really deal with the triforce, ganon, or zelda, so that's out of the way. Twilight Princess? Still an infusion of energy. Ganondorf sure likes showing off his glowy triangle on his hand. Minish cap? Ganon & Triforce not applicable. I've not played the four swords games, so it's hard to say for them...

Now Link to the Past. While it can't really be indicated whether the marks were on the hands, it's apparent the triforce (namely all three solid objects) were in Ganon's possession, as you retrieve them in the end. This begs the question: were they hidden in the 'golden realm' all along, and only their power touched the heroes/villains? Did Ganon somehow manage to capture the magical artifacts after all, through the sacrifices by Aghanim? Did his transferrance of Zelda and Link into the 'Dark World' separate them from the triforce's powers, thereby putting them in Ganon's grasp again?

Link's Awakening, no triforce or Ganon... not even Zelda. While I never got far in WindWaker, I'm certain I saw Ganondorf in his human form again, so that debunks my idea that depriving him of the triforce in LTTP made him permanently stuck in his 'warthog' state...unless your placement of WindWaker is off. Its possible that once the Triforce was brought 'out' of the golden realm (in LTTP), they remained physical objects of magic as opposed to magical essences, and only those 'chosen' (see: marks on the hand) could properly wield the Triforce. Since the power no longer made Ganondorf Immortal by LoZ, yes, that ensured his destruction was more permanent.

(At this point I'm grasping, but it makes sense in its own way) This would indicate that the triforce of Courage, which was supposedly either unheard-of (likely since the curse made known in AoL) or was merely out of Ganondorf's grasp, was hidden away on PURPOSE, because the power of all three objects wasn't meant to be wielded at once, and the 'Hero' never seemed to stay at the end of the games. The sword was almost always returned to its resting place, and he'd go 'home', wherever that was.

They also indicate several times in the series that no matter where Link is found, from, etc., he appears to have some royal line of his own, and doesn't belong where he is. (OoT: lives with the Kokiri, but not one of them. TP: Supposedly an Eldin child, but I don't think anyone knew his parents.) So does this mean the 'hero' is merely spawned to be necessary to the threat, and he vanishes after the fact? I wonder if this was actually the fate of those tied to the triforce... to vanish once the threat was gone, and reappear with no memories later, to combat the threat again? Was it also common to name one's descendants after the hero, or was it more likely that it was the same hero, over and over, just as immortal and ageless as his nemesis, waiting for his respawn? How, exactly, did Zelda sleep for so long without aging, or dying? Could it have been that those who wield the triforce all around are truly immortal, or was that merely an idea tossed around and applied as-necessary?

This would give leverage to the name 'The Hero of Time', as a warrior who would often appear to be the same all throughout the series... a green-clad, left-handed sword wielding youth who tends to meet the female royalty whenever she exists, and tends to fight the same villain over and over.

...geezus, where did all that come from? I gotta lay off the caffiene. Need a downer to balance meself out... where's my bourbon...?
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Posted 02 February 2010 - 11:13 PM

Ok, after watching the video put forth by Jman, I can definitely see where MC could fit in before OoT. I may change the timeline to reflect this, but the split timeline theory dosen't hold enough water for me to believe it completely. If you think about it, Zelda and Link's informing the king of Gannondorf's intentions effectively negates the events of OoT, meaning that particular adventure would never have occurred. This type of event has occurred multiple times in video games in the past (see Prince of Persia for a good example) so it holds water as far as i'm concerned. Back on the subject of Minnish Cap however, it may well fit in before OoT as it details the origins of Hyrule. My question is "Why did Hyrule seem to forget about the Four Sword for hundreds of years?" There's no way the Four Sword and the Master Sword are one and the same, so that's not a plausible explaination. But barring that events seem to pass into legend in Hyrule rather quickly, it is possible that no one outside the royal family of Hyrule knew of the four Sword's existence.

On the subject of Link's Awakening, the absence of Zelda, Gannon, and the Triforce can be explained by the end of the game itself. The events of LA are a result of the Windfish (possibly some kind of magical transformation of the original Link) dreaming them up. Several characters looked familiar to Link in LA, but weren't who they seemed to be. For example, the girl that rescues Link after he washes up on the beach looks strikingly like Zelda. This could be a coincidence, but is more likely that the Zelda Link knows is a decendant of the one the Windfish met thousands of years prior. This would add an extra Link to the timeline, but to be honest, we have several already.

Here's how I see things tallying up...

The actual Legend of Zelda (wherein her older brother had her put to sleep) introduces us to our protagonists. Now we all know what happened to Zelda, but where is mention of her protector Link? My guess is that he stepped in the way of the prince's wizard friend and was punished for his insolence by being transformed into the being that would become known as the Windfish.

So far we have 1 Link and 1 Zelda

Then comes the events of Minnish Cap, which makes no mention of the Legend, but introduces us to another Link and Zelda (showing that the royal family honored the prince's wishes). In this adventure Link gains his trademark hat, something I did not know before viewing Jman's video since I never got to play more than like five minutes of the game.

This makes 2 Links and 2 Zeldas

Next comes OoT and MajM wherein a third pair stop Gannondorf and revert Hyrule to its original state by undoing the events of his carnage.

3 Links 3 Zeldas

The timeline I devised brings about another Link Zelda combo in TP making the tally...

4 Links 4 Zeldas

If we continue on with the amendmants made by Jman's video, we get FS and another Link and Zelda

5 of each

Four Swords Adventures uses the same Link and Zelda from FS (as far as I know) which means the next combo is in Link to the Past and continues on through the events in Link's Awakening, making the new tally so far...

6 Links, 6 Zeldas

Now we have WW and PH, which use another pairing of Link and Zelda, er, I mean Tetra. So we now get

7 Links, 6 Zeldas, 1 Tetra

With Spirit Tracks taking place 100 years later we get anothe Link and Zelda (grandchildren of the pair from WW & PH)

8 Links, 7 Zeldas, 1 Tetra

My best guess here is that the last few games in the timeline thusfar use one last set of Link and Zelda through LoZ into OoA, ergo we get

9 Links, 8 Zeldas, 1 Tetra

So remember kids, there may be armies of Link and Zelda, but there will only be one Tetra...

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