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Sally/Khan
#61
Posted 09 December 2009 - 11:06 PM

Aussie #3
#62
Posted 09 December 2009 - 11:29 PM
Awww the Knuckles comics. Penders did some bloody good work there.
9:06
#63
Guest_Shorty_*
Posted 10 December 2009 - 02:53 AM
Simple. One, of all characters, its Khan being paired with Sally, a character that's been generally disliked amongst the fans. Two, how Ian writes him. Khan is so annoyingly wangst-ridden, mopey, and tempermental that, it makes Shadow the Hedgehog look comparitively normal. Put all this in a blender and add in the fact that he and Sally develop a relationship in an abnormally short period of time and you have discord coming in from both sides. Because if you were a fan of SonSal, your obviously not going to be bought in by some guy you probably didn't even like in the first place, who all of a sudden comes in and sweeps Sally off her feet with little development.
And even if you didn't like Sally or the SonSal relationship, and wanted her out of the way and with someone else, to have her date Khan would mean that you'd have to stomach not only her but more of both of them, more than you already have to. Not to mention you'd then have to deal with the incessant moping that would normally be in character for Sonic upon realizing that they're 'official'.
If Ian were honestly sincere about Sally being with someone else, don't you think he would have put more thought into who the guy was? That he would have chosen someone that fans would have approved of more? Like say, Shadow for example, or Knuckles? And even if that weren't the case, don't you think he would have invested more time into the development of these two characters like he did with SonSal instead of trying to rush them together? After all, Khan "isn't very popular", amirite?
So what if Khan is Ian's little "pet project" (or so he says he is on his board)? Even if that were true, keep in mind, that that came BEFORE the idea to pair him with Sally. Just because Ian's supposedly writing him with the intent to be liked more as a character (and failing), doesn't mean Khan's being written with the assumption to actually win against Sonic for Sally's affections in the long run. Ian may say who Sally and Sonic are with is "up to the fans", but how the heck is this much of a choice? Oh sure, Sonic's picking up Amy on the rebound, but SonAmy's development all relies on Sally being in a relationship that won't last. He picks a guy for her that wasn't very popular with the fans to begin with, then rushes them into a relationship and expects the fans to feel as though they have a choice? This Sally/Khan pairing feels as though its being written with the intention to fail.
Sonic will eventually reconcille with Sally, Amy will return to being a backburner love interest and in the end, Ian will point the finger to the fans and argue that "this is what they wanted". Psh, yeah right. This reeks of yet another PR stunt, and I am not amused. He's just wasting our time with this, using his pretentiousness as some attempted vehichle for suspense when we already know what he wants to do with this love square, anyway.
#64
Posted 10 December 2009 - 05:58 AM
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#66
Posted 10 December 2009 - 01:16 PM
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#67
Posted 10 December 2009 - 01:31 PM
Can you say MILFs?

"He who is strong conquers others. He who is mighty conquers himself."
#68
Posted 10 December 2009 - 01:50 PM
#69
Guest_Miko_*
Posted 11 December 2009 - 10:28 AM
Now onto other things. A few things sort of bug me.
1. I'm not very interested in Monkey Khan. So how long will this Iron Dominion arc stay? And won't Khan leave with it? And if not does that mean Khan will be staying? Regardless of which it is all a lose-lose situation.
We either will:
*Have Eggman and the Iron Queen for eons to come (and I am very tired of this arc)
*We will finally see the Arc come to an end with Khan staying in Knothole (plz no!)
*We will see the arc come to an end with Khan leaving center focus. To me, that sort of defeats the purpose of getting people to enjoy Khan/Sally because Khan will be out of the picture. And more than likely without a regular to be with Sally many of her fans will probably go back to steering by Sonic even if they liked Sally/Khan. Because even Ian mentions that it's essentially the same thing:
If he really thought Sonic/Sally was a done deal he could've at least considered the option Sally needs a guy whose not essentially Sonic, and has other qualities to offer her that Sonic simply won't aside. Even if I hypothetically became a Khan/Sally supporter how would I enjoy such a pairing? Not to suggest distance relationships can't work but putting Sonic into the picture, a guy in which Khan essentially rips from and is still portrayed by the book as a good friend of Sally's is a big wrench being thrown in the gears isn't it? Especially since she's had feelings for Sonic and Sonic is actually very nearby. Who do you think is going to be readily available for fans who enjoyed the Khan/Sally for content reasons?
Dude this isn't extremely slow in any sense of the word. This is perhaps the third most rushed pairing before Sally/Geoffery and Mina/Ash (which got no build up). And even in the case of Sally/Geoff's, those 4 issues of buildup to their budding relationship was simply a matter Sally simply growing interested in Geoffery. She took a long time to actually contemplate who she wanted-- between him and Sonic. That is of course opposed to Sally deciding to choose Khan over Sonic and to see where they can go in a record 7 issues.
#71
Posted 31 December 2009 - 08:43 PM
No, not really. Sega has become very stringent on what is and what is not allowed in the comic in the years since Ian has taken the helm. Here's a short rundown of things Ian is not allowed to do/use in the comic. Mind you, this is not comprehensive:
Full game adaptations
Any Sonic X characters (for a long time this included Cream)
Any SatAM, AoStH, or Sonic OVA characters not already in the comic
The hoverboards from Sonic Riders (I am not making this up)
Eggman Nega
Concrete ages for characters or the passage of time in general
Allow Sonic to lose (seriously, can you believe this crap?)
Don't ask me why Sega have become such jerks, but the fact remains that Ian's hands are tied in ways we can't even begin to imagine.
#72
Posted 31 December 2009 - 10:07 PM
Sega says no to full game adaptations, though? I thought full game adaptations had always been their idea.
#73
Posted 31 December 2009 - 11:53 PM
OK...
Cream isn't a Sonic X exclusive character...
And they are...
Then how are the Babylon Rogues supposed to appear in the comics while staying true to character?
Well, we already have enough Eggbotnikmen as it is...
They must be REALLY secretive about their ages...
Are they trying to make Sonic a complete Gary Stu or something?
#74
Guest_Miko_*
Posted 01 January 2010 - 02:41 AM
Full game adaptations
Any Sonic X characters (for a long time this included Cream)
Any SatAM, AoStH, or Sonic OVA characters not already in the comic
The hoverboards from Sonic Riders (I am not making this up)
Eggman Nega
Concrete ages for characters or the passage of time in general
Allow Sonic to lose (seriously, can you believe this crap?)
Don't ask me why Sega have become such jerks, but the fact remains that Ian's hands are tied in ways we can't even begin to imagine.
citations plz
#75
Posted 01 January 2010 - 03:20 AM
If there are some satisfying temporary pairings (Sonic/Bunnie, Knuckles/Sally) I don't mind, Sonic, Bunnie, Sally and Knux all kick ass. But in the end, it just has to be Sonsal, that's what's ment to be. If the last Archie-issue doesn't give us Sonsal, I think I'll be pretty pissed. For the only professional (='not fan-made' in this context) connection between SatAM and the fans left, Archie screws it up for me pretty much. Is there anyone out there who likes Monkey Khan anyways? I don't really think so. Is there anyone out there who likes Sally? Hell yeah!
So, it's fine if you pair different characters up, even temporary, but at least pick some good characters, is my conclusion. (<-- this is all personal opinion)
#76
Posted 01 January 2010 - 09:42 AM
Basically, Sonic isn't allowed to lose a fight, or even a moral victory. Ian really pushed the envelope with StH 175, and he was only allowed to do that because the issue ended on a hopeful note.
And it goes without saying that every single SegaSonic character has impervious plot armor.
Sorry, I can't. I picked up all this stuff over a period of months lurking the Bumbleking Forums. I can't pick out any one thread in which he says this, though it does come up in conversation from time to time. All I can say is if you lurked Bumbleking, you would know I'm telling the truth.
Though if you doubt me, I did find the thread where he dished about the game adaptations.
#77
Posted 04 January 2010 - 04:00 AM
#78
Posted 04 January 2010 - 09:02 AM
I don't get how letting Sonic win is "good from a moral standpoint". I don't leave it to comic books or any other media to teach me morals, so I find the morals of a comic irrelevant.
#79
Posted 16 January 2010 - 02:10 AM
And Scourge ditched Fiona for Rouge. Ian's excuse for just ignoring Rouge and heading after Fiona is that Rouge left him. And yeah? According to his own writing Fiona ditches Scourge to be a Freedom Fighter and the "virtuous hero" Sonic's lover. So again, warping the characters incredibly out of proportion and forcing them onto one another to break Sonic up with his then girlfriend and not an issue later, you see him back to FLIRTING with Sally.
Then of course a review that miraculously dissapeared finds it's way back online, reveals Ian's a SonSal fan and is aligned with all his other moves and then we SUDDENLY get a Sally/Monkey Khan moment and his asking the fans to tell him what he thinks. Huh? I Don't have a whole lot of faith in the sincerity of this. I wouldn't be at all surprised that should he pair Sonic and Sally off, it's basis will be in the fan demand that he asked for after dropping a bomb like this. And really, a lot of Sally's fans are probably not going to be happy simply because it's Khan the emo, moody Ash mach II who is less easy on the eyes. Unless these two get married, Sonic shows NO heavy objections and we perhaps see some loosening up on his other love interests (and that means finally writing Fiona in character), I'm probably not going to take these actions seriously. He always reacts with a PR stunt whenever it becomes blatantly obvious what he's headed.
Well Miko, I've talked about this a lot over at Youtube, hell, I even did this vid , where I compared the similarity to both romance's in the comics of Sonic and Spider-Man.
As well as this two, , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qtvaXzXHhI and Miko, you'll be surprised (okay maybe you won't) on the responses that SonSal get, especially over this current situation.
Just thought I'd Share that with ya.
#80
Posted 22 January 2010 - 01:08 AM
not who can punch who
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