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@  furrykef : (25 July 2015 - 03:35 AM)

When was that? Depending on when it was, it might have been a DNS issue. Those should be gone now.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 10:10 PM)

on*

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 10:10 PM)

Red said he couldnt get one

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself


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#61 Cheezmatt

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 11:06 PM

It's hard to say whether that was demanded, or if a writer just thought it was an awesome idea to stick closer to the games. Regardless, it hasn't had much to do with the numerous cockamamie love triangles.
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Posted 09 December 2009 - 11:29 PM

QUOTE (Cheezmatt @ Dec 10 2009, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sega isn't really as tight-fisted about the comic as some appear to think. What they prefer and what they actually allow are two different things; Ken Penders for one mentioned he could write with a largely free hand on both Sonic and Knuckles titles.

Awww the Knuckles comics. Penders did some bloody good work there.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 02:53 AM

I can already see that these pairings aren't going to last, and for numerous reasons. For starters, even if we didn't take into account Ian's "no stready relationships for Sonic" statement, in order for Sonic/Amy to preservere, it would require Sally to be in a more long-term relationship with Khan-- which isn't going to happen because fans are going to object to this whether they're SonSal fans or not. Why?

Simple. One, of all characters, its Khan being paired with Sally, a character that's been generally disliked amongst the fans. Two, how Ian writes him. Khan is so annoyingly wangst-ridden, mopey, and tempermental that, it makes Shadow the Hedgehog look comparitively normal. Put all this in a blender and add in the fact that he and Sally develop a relationship in an abnormally short period of time and you have discord coming in from both sides. Because if you were a fan of SonSal, your obviously not going to be bought in by some guy you probably didn't even like in the first place, who all of a sudden comes in and sweeps Sally off her feet with little development.

And even if you didn't like Sally or the SonSal relationship, and wanted her out of the way and with someone else, to have her date Khan would mean that you'd have to stomach not only her but more of both of them, more than you already have to. Not to mention you'd then have to deal with the incessant moping that would normally be in character for Sonic upon realizing that they're 'official'.

If Ian were honestly sincere about Sally being with someone else, don't you think he would have put more thought into who the guy was? That he would have chosen someone that fans would have approved of more? Like say, Shadow for example, or Knuckles? And even if that weren't the case, don't you think he would have invested more time into the development of these two characters like he did with SonSal instead of trying to rush them together? After all, Khan "isn't very popular", amirite?

So what if Khan is Ian's little "pet project" (or so he says he is on his board)? Even if that were true, keep in mind, that that came BEFORE the idea to pair him with Sally. Just because Ian's supposedly writing him with the intent to be liked more as a character (and failing), doesn't mean Khan's being written with the assumption to actually win against Sonic for Sally's affections in the long run. Ian may say who Sally and Sonic are with is "up to the fans", but how the heck is this much of a choice? Oh sure, Sonic's picking up Amy on the rebound, but SonAmy's development all relies on Sally being in a relationship that won't last. He picks a guy for her that wasn't very popular with the fans to begin with, then rushes them into a relationship and expects the fans to feel as though they have a choice? This Sally/Khan pairing feels as though its being written with the intention to fail.

Sonic will eventually reconcille with Sally, Amy will return to being a backburner love interest and in the end, Ian will point the finger to the fans and argue that "this is what they wanted". Psh, yeah right. This reeks of yet another PR stunt, and I am not amused. He's just wasting our time with this, using his pretentiousness as some attempted vehichle for suspense when we already know what he wants to do with this love square, anyway. rolleyes.gif

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 05:58 AM

I propose the Tenchi-solution. Sonic gets everyone. wink.gif
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:05 AM

Including Monkey Khan? unsure.gif

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 01:16 PM

I believe Chal refers to 'any and all females'. However, then the question begs: even the Queen, and Rosie?
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 01:31 PM

QUOTE (Xian Shade @ Dec 10 2009, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I believe Chal refers to 'any and all females'. However, then the question begs: even the Queen, and Rosie?


Can you say MILFs?


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Posted 10 December 2009 - 01:50 PM

we will need alot more hemp before we're through

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Posted 11 December 2009 - 10:28 AM

I do not agree though that it is ever so obvious that Ian WILL pair Sonic and Sally off just yet. Because it's perfectly possible that Sally/Khan is a vicarious Sonic/Sally victory for Ian. Just because Ian's done plenty to show he's a SonSal fan (and even Sal/Khan reflects this) not every fan is the same. Some fans may want to simply see what they liked about a pairing in the comic in some form. They don't care if its even the same characters or if the comics make a clone to let that relationship official in some form. That kind of thinking might not agree with the way most fans feel, but it may be enough for Ian personally and also would get the people mentioning that SonSal review he wrote and the previous SonSal buildup he'd made off his back. An issue Ian deals with that most fans don't have to. I mean, he has said that Sally/Khan was in part considered because of how similar Sonic and Khan are, did he not? It's much too early to see if Ian is that kind of SonSal fan or if he's the kind that is going to wait a long time to put Sonic and Sally together.


Now onto other things. A few things sort of bug me.

1. I'm not very interested in Monkey Khan. So how long will this Iron Dominion arc stay? And won't Khan leave with it? And if not does that mean Khan will be staying? Regardless of which it is all a lose-lose situation.

We either will:

*Have Eggman and the Iron Queen for eons to come (and I am very tired of this arc)

*We will finally see the Arc come to an end with Khan staying in Knothole (plz no!)

*We will see the arc come to an end with Khan leaving center focus. To me, that sort of defeats the purpose of getting people to enjoy Khan/Sally because Khan will be out of the picture. And more than likely without a regular to be with Sally many of her fans will probably go back to steering by Sonic even if they liked Sally/Khan. Because even Ian mentions that it's essentially the same thing:

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I came to realize there were a surprising number of parallels between him and Sonic. Ken's immediate infatuation with Sally in his debut, coupled with the ever-present "Sonic x Sally" idea, plus the Sonic / Ken parallels all came together into the mad idea of pairing Ken and Sally.



If he really thought Sonic/Sally was a done deal he could've at least considered the option Sally needs a guy whose not essentially Sonic, and has other qualities to offer her that Sonic simply won't aside. Even if I hypothetically became a Khan/Sally supporter how would I enjoy such a pairing? Not to suggest distance relationships can't work but putting Sonic into the picture, a guy in which Khan essentially rips from and is still portrayed by the book as a good friend of Sally's is a big wrench being thrown in the gears isn't it? Especially since she's had feelings for Sonic and Sonic is actually very nearby. Who do you think is going to be readily available for fans who enjoyed the Khan/Sally for content reasons?

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Dude this isn't extremely slow in any sense of the word. This is perhaps the third most rushed pairing before Sally/Geoffery and Mina/Ash (which got no build up). And even in the case of Sally/Geoff's, those 4 issues of buildup to their budding relationship was simply a matter Sally simply growing interested in Geoffery. She took a long time to actually contemplate who she wanted-- between him and Sonic. That is of course opposed to Sally deciding to choose Khan over Sonic and to see where they can go in a record 7 issues.

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 05:43 PM

There's no Sally con. here? Wrong topic.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 08:43 PM

QUOTE (Cheezmatt @ Dec 9 2009, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sega isn't really as tight-fisted about the comic as some appear to think. What they prefer and what they actually allow are two different things; Ken Penders for one mentioned he could write with a largely free hand on both Sonic and Knuckles titles. Ian Flynn said much the same.

No, not really. Sega has become very stringent on what is and what is not allowed in the comic in the years since Ian has taken the helm. Here's a short rundown of things Ian is not allowed to do/use in the comic. Mind you, this is not comprehensive:

Full game adaptations
Any Sonic X characters (for a long time this included Cream)
Any SatAM, AoStH, or Sonic OVA characters not already in the comic
The hoverboards from Sonic Riders (I am not making this up)
Eggman Nega
Concrete ages for characters or the passage of time in general
Allow Sonic to lose (seriously, can you believe this crap?)

Don't ask me why Sega have become such jerks, but the fact remains that Ian's hands are tied in ways we can't even begin to imagine.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 10:07 PM

Heh, well, if it were me, I wouldn't do any of those things anyway (other than maybe allow Sonic to lose, although it depends on what exactly that means), so I'm not sure how that really counts as hands-tying.

Sega says no to full game adaptations, though? I thought full game adaptations had always been their idea.


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Posted 31 December 2009 - 11:53 PM

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Full game adaptations


OK...

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Any Sonic X characters (for a long time this included Cream)


Cream isn't a Sonic X exclusive character...

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Any SatAM, AoStH, or Sonic OVA characters not already in the comic


And they are...

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The hoverboards from Sonic Riders (I am not making this up)


Then how are the Babylon Rogues supposed to appear in the comics while staying true to character?

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Eggman Nega


Well, we already have enough Eggbotnikmen as it is...

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Concrete ages for characters or the passage of time in general


They must be REALLY secretive about their ages...

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Allow Sonic to lose (seriously, can you believe this crap?)


Are they trying to make Sonic a complete Gary Stu or something?

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 02:41 AM

QUOTE (Wentos @ Jan 1 2010, 04:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, not really. Sega has become very stringent on what is and what is not allowed in the comic in the years since Ian has taken the helm. Here's a short rundown of things Ian is not allowed to do/use in the comic. Mind you, this is not comprehensive:

Full game adaptations
Any Sonic X characters (for a long time this included Cream)
Any SatAM, AoStH, or Sonic OVA characters not already in the comic
The hoverboards from Sonic Riders (I am not making this up)
Eggman Nega
Concrete ages for characters or the passage of time in general
Allow Sonic to lose (seriously, can you believe this crap?)

Don't ask me why Sega have become such jerks, but the fact remains that Ian's hands are tied in ways we can't even begin to imagine.


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Posted 01 January 2010 - 03:20 AM

I like a little love-related drama in a comic book series but to pair Sally up with an idiot like Khan... Of course it's not going to last long but it's just a stupid pairing anyways. There was this SatAM episode where Sally has a crush on some idiot goat, I didn't like that either. And that skunkhole St. John was a big mistake too.

If there are some satisfying temporary pairings (Sonic/Bunnie, Knuckles/Sally) I don't mind, Sonic, Bunnie, Sally and Knux all kick ass. But in the end, it just has to be Sonsal, that's what's ment to be. If the last Archie-issue doesn't give us Sonsal, I think I'll be pretty pissed. For the only professional (='not fan-made' in this context) connection between SatAM and the fans left, Archie screws it up for me pretty much. Is there anyone out there who likes Monkey Khan anyways? I don't really think so. Is there anyone out there who likes Sally? Hell yeah!

So, it's fine if you pair different characters up, even temporary, but at least pick some good characters, is my conclusion. (<-- this is all personal opinion)

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 09:42 AM

QUOTE (furrykef @ Dec 31 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(other than maybe allow Sonic to lose, although it depends on what exactly that means)

Basically, Sonic isn't allowed to lose a fight, or even a moral victory. Ian really pushed the envelope with StH 175, and he was only allowed to do that because the issue ended on a hopeful note.

And it goes without saying that every single SegaSonic character has impervious plot armor.


QUOTE (Miko @ Jan 1 2010, 03:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
citations plz

Sorry, I can't. I picked up all this stuff over a period of months lurking the Bumbleking Forums. I can't pick out any one thread in which he says this, though it does come up in conversation from time to time. All I can say is if you lurked Bumbleking, you would know I'm telling the truth.

Though if you doubt me, I did find the thread where he dished about the game adaptations.


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Posted 04 January 2010 - 04:00 AM

Sonic not being allowed to lose is one mandate I actually agree with. It is good from a moral standpoint, plus I love seeing the good guys win. A temporary lose or setback is fine, to give Sonic and the FF's a challenge, as long as they win in the end.

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 09:02 AM

I would read that guideline as disallowing temporary losses as well. Moreover, the line between a temporary loss and a non-temporary loss can be blurry. (What if Sonic incurs a loss that is only made up 100 issues later?)

I don't get how letting Sonic win is "good from a moral standpoint". I don't leave it to comic books or any other media to teach me morals, so I find the morals of a comic irrelevant.


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QUOTE (Miko @ Nov 30 2009, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok, as Sonic grams and other previews for the comic have made obvious, Sally is falling in love with Monkey Khan. I personally don't think much is going to come out of it. I mean, Ian admitted to being a SonSal fan a few years back then he broke up Sonic and Fiona and made her totally OOC to do so in order to go out with Scourge. Excuse me but, this was the same character who went OUT with Sonic because he was a virtuous-hero good guy and she realized after his saving the Xordra that he couldn't be the selfish bad boy she once took him for. So how Ian got the idea she could eventually "find out" he was this way and no longer like him eludes me. If she really wanted him to be like Scourge why did she chastize Sonic for being selfish? For showing traits anything like him. No. Fiona choosing to go back to her old lifestyle because Scourge comes to pick her up is...ridiculous.

And Scourge ditched Fiona for Rouge. Ian's excuse for just ignoring Rouge and heading after Fiona is that Rouge left him. And yeah? According to his own writing Fiona ditches Scourge to be a Freedom Fighter and the "virtuous hero" Sonic's lover. So again, warping the characters incredibly out of proportion and forcing them onto one another to break Sonic up with his then girlfriend and not an issue later, you see him back to FLIRTING with Sally.

Then of course a review that miraculously dissapeared finds it's way back online, reveals Ian's a SonSal fan and is aligned with all his other moves and then we SUDDENLY get a Sally/Monkey Khan moment and his asking the fans to tell him what he thinks. Huh? I Don't have a whole lot of faith in the sincerity of this. I wouldn't be at all surprised that should he pair Sonic and Sally off, it's basis will be in the fan demand that he asked for after dropping a bomb like this. And really, a lot of Sally's fans are probably not going to be happy simply because it's Khan the emo, moody Ash mach II who is less easy on the eyes. Unless these two get married, Sonic shows NO heavy objections and we perhaps see some loosening up on his other love interests (and that means finally writing Fiona in character), I'm probably not going to take these actions seriously. He always reacts with a PR stunt whenever it becomes blatantly obvious what he's headed.



Well Miko, I've talked about this a lot over at Youtube, hell, I even did this vid , where I compared the similarity to both romance's in the comics of Sonic and Spider-Man.

As well as this two, , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qtvaXzXHhI and Miko, you'll be surprised (okay maybe you won't) on the responses that SonSal get, especially over this current situation.

Just thought I'd Share that with ya. wink.gif

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 01:08 AM

you know paring wouldn't feel so rushed if something was actually happening, instead of the monthly manfights and excessive padding. if, you know the focus was on the Characters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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