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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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Posted 06 December 2009 - 02:06 PM

IMO I would not go apeshit over this, guys. This is probably what he wants so he can justify it by using the fanbase's condemnation of SallyxKhan. Dont lose your dignity by acting as if this is serious buisness. Regardless if people go apeshit or not he will eventually get sick of writing this because he's a sonsal fan and pair her back with Sonic. Its just a matter of how long he plans on putting up a "No U!" to everyone who pretty much called him out on the plotholes he made because they know he's been biased to Sonsal before he got hired. rolleyes.gif


Now that thats out the way can I just say I find this simply amazing that Ian is going to introdce a character with backstory from over 100 issues ago but not bring Julian back despite bringing back this ancient character n00bs wouldn't remember either? I mean, whose going to remember the first time he kidnapped Sally and all that nonsense? Ooooh and Ian and what was that about diminishing the character count....by REINTROUCING MORE CHARACTERS! If hes going out of his way to introduce some guy from way back when that nobody cared about just so he can make this love triangle conspicuously in Sonic's favor hes either desperate, doesnt care about the character count issue like he previously preached or both.

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 03:25 PM

QUOTE (BlazeyBakeneko @ Dec 6 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe it's all part of Ian's plan to make Sally pink again and retcon us back to 1993.xD

I'd be in favor of that if that means we get to progress to about 95-96 again. (Then stop short before we get to Endgame II and just keep it the way it is.)

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IMO I would not go apeshit over this, guys. This is probably what he wants so he can justify it by using the fanbase's condemnation of SallyxKhan.

Yeah, 'cause introducing elements into a story that you know the audience will absolutely hate is such good writing! tongue.gif

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 04:21 PM

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 05:51 PM



I thought he was a robot too, i wonder how would Sal be screwed by a robot?

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 06:26 PM

Khan's a machine that can do things you would not belieeeeeeeeeve.
Hey, Sally gets a lover with stamina and vibrating parts, sounds like a good deal to me. robotnik.gif

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 07:24 PM

The comics going to go to shit again with this pairing love stuff.Archie writers cannot write drama for shit.

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 08:37 PM

I don't read the comics, I have no idea what's going on. (and no, don't explain it, I don't care)

I don't like the Sally in the comics anyway and I don't consider it official SatAM canon or anything of the sort. Sonic has Sally in SatAM and that's all that matters to me. Having said that, it might surprise many, but I'd actually support a SonicXAmy ending in the comic.

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 11:03 PM

Hey, if it's well written I'd enjoy any coupling. Even with brain-dead Amy.
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 01:49 AM

I've got a hard time hating Amy; She was the main-gal in the Fleetway comics and ... well, (after one or few character upgrades) utterly badass. (Up and until to taking on robotnik completly on her own - and Fleetway-Robotnik is up there with SatAM robotnik in terms of nasty and evilness. Fleetway's R has actually taken over Mobius with SONIC AROUND.)

Since all females in Archie seem to be utter airheads, I'm supporting SonicXAmy too. Archie-sally's just... DUMB. Granted I love bitches in my stories, but I can't stand dumb females.
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 02:00 AM

In all, Sally's been her clever, capable self in the comic more often than the emotionally volatile lunatic of the #134 variety. I wish I could say it depended on the writer, but it's more to do with the story arc. Either way, she rates far better than Amy's solid 0.
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 05:36 AM

I haven't been following Archie Sonic for about a decade, but I'm surprised to see a descriptor such as "dumb girl" applied to Sally.

The traditional (i.e., pre-SA) Sally was basically the same as SatAM Sally with a +1 in ass-kicking skills. Cool, confident, rational, and not to be messed with.

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QUOTE (Cheezmatt @ Dec 8 2009, 04:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In all, Sally's been her clever, capable self in the comic more often than the emotionally volatile lunatic of the #134 variety.


OK, I got curious, so I downloaded the issue.

Oh God.

The whole thing gave me a case of teh st00pid even before we got to Sally's breakdown. But that was just godawful.


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Posted 08 December 2009 - 05:56 PM

Decided to post a couple of things from Ian's "Ask Ian" column regarding this issue...Not sure if this clarifies thing or just makes them more confusing.

"Question #51 wrote:
I heard a rumor from someone (not here but on another forum) that those SEGA mandates you keep mentioning say that Sonic x Sally is offically axed, permanently. Confused Any truth to this?"


"Well, technically, SEGA doesn't want Sonic paired with anyone. Not Sally, not Amy, not Mina, not Blaze, not Antoine - nobody. They seem to give us a little bit of leeway as long as the pairings aren't too "serious." It might be one of those things we end up pushing until we're told to dial it back."

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What first sparked your idea to have Sally and Khan as a couple?"


"I can't get into all the reasong behind it right now, but for now...

Part of it stemmed from my desire to make Ken a likeable and viable hero. Up until this arc he was easily one of the least liked characters and I took it as a personal challenge to make him not only palatable, but a new fan favorite. So I studied the character; what were his redeemable traits? What were his failures, and how could they be believably corrected or used to make him sympathetic? What can he do that's cool, and how can I capatalize on that?

As I was figuring him out, I came to realize there were a surprising number of parallels between him and Sonic. Ken's immediate infatuation with Sally in his debut, coupled with the ever-present "Sonic x Sally" idea, plus the Sonic / Ken parallels all came together into the mad idea of pairing Ken and Sally. So I came at it from the other direction: would Sally even give him the time of day? As I went over Sally's own self-destruction and regrowth, the pairing actually made sense.

I also knew the powder keg I was setting up, so I purposefully built it up extremely slowly - from the use of casual names, to the show of concern, to Sally's final big confrontation with her feelings.

That all said, we're not done yet. All we've seen is Ken's interest and Sally's apparent decision to see where "they" can go. I'd say we're... half-way... through this particular subplot. (which begs the question: do they break it off, or do they live happily ever after?) "

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 01:56 AM

QUOTE (furrykef @ Dec 8 2009, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I haven't been following Archie Sonic for about a decade, but I'm surprised to see a descriptor such as "dumb girl" applied to Sally.

The traditional (i.e., pre-SA) Sally was basically the same as SatAM Sally with a +1 in ass-kicking skills. Cool, confident, rational, and not to be messed with.

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OK, I got curious, so I downloaded the issue.

Oh God.

The whole thing gave me a case of teh st00pid even before we got to Sally's breakdown. But that was just godawful.



To be honest, I only got those issues of Archie and had a bad case of "WHAT DID THEY DO TO MY SALLY?!" - wallbanger, indeed, although it was more of a wallflopper.

Taught me alot of what NOT to do in comics, though. wink.gif

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 03:44 AM

From what Ian has said, it gives me hope that Sally and Kahn will not last long and that they will break up at the end of the Iron Dominion storyline. As he explained it, it sounds like Sally may be trying to sutitute Sonic with Kahn. The way I see things, considering how things ended perhaps Sally is feeling a little unworthy of Sonic, like she really doesn't have a right to ask for a second chance at a relationship.

I know Sega wants Sonic single, but I am not giving up on Sonic and Sally. We fans have to really turn up the pressure on Sega about them.

Yes, the way Sally was protrayed and the breakup in #134 is the reason why I think that was the worst issue in the comic.

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 06:57 AM

I really don't think that "turning up the heat" will help - Sega makes games and most gamers won't have heard of Sally.

For example the asian market most likely has NEVER ever heard of Sally, the European market had a single - and FLOPPED!- series with her (seriously, Sonic Underground ran longer & more often than the SatAM-Aosth combo we got in Germany), what, ten years ago; and has the majority of the US-American gamers even heard of the comic? I'm not sure about this.

It would be STUPID marketing wise to attach Sonic to anyone. The games are a family friendly jump'n'run series mainly marketed at young kids. A relationship that's not a parental marriage will catapult them out of their target - just remember how many six year old boys still go "EW. You touched a GIRL. Even if it's just in the comic, the knowledge about it will leak thanks to gaming sites and co. Something like that won't go unnoticed - which negates the "It's just in the comic!" argument. Someone IS going to take offense.

Additional problem: Does Sega even have the copyright/trademark to the character of Sally? Isn't it DC'S or Archies?Sega hold's Sonic's trademark, but with Sally I'm not sure. If they were to endorse a relationship, they will do it with one of THEIR characters. They won't risk a shared copyright with DC/Archie, or anything that's iffy and might get them sued for part of the profit.

Sega earns it's money with games, not with the Archie comics. If the Archie Comic tanks, Sega will shrug it off. If it does well, it's still insignificant. But if it does something that goes against the BRAND of Sonic the hedgehog, Sega will have to deal with the fall out. They're pretty good at screwing Sonic over themselves, but they won't allow others to do that. wink.gif

As annoying as it is, but Archie can keep doing the Sonic Comic only as long as Sega sees an advantage in it - and a percieved change in the brand of care-free, unattached Sonic will them have fuming. Archie's caught in an advanced form of the fanfiction dilemma. Sure, Sonic's known and gives their comics pull, but in exchange they're Sega's bitches and have to do what Sega says. If Archie steps on Sega's toes, they'll be punished.

Which means, "Will he or won't he" is the best the Archie-readers will get, because anything else won't make sense money or marketing-wise for Sega.

And THIS, dears, is why you're FUCKED if you try to work in a continuity owned by someone else. If you upset the continuity owner, they'll come after you with lawers - and it doesn't matter if you make money from it. If archie wants to play at their own fancy, they need to do so in franchaises they own themselves.
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Posted 09 December 2009 - 12:55 PM

QUOTE (chalcara @ Dec 9 2009, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It would be STUPID marketing wise to attach Sonic to anyone. The games are a family friendly jump'n'run series mainly marketed at young kids. A relationship that's not a parental marriage will catapult them out of their target - just remember how many six year old boys still go "EW. You touched a GIRL. Even if it's just in the comic, the knowledge about it will leak thanks to gaming sites and co. Something like that won't go unnoticed - which negates the "It's just in the comic!" argument. Someone IS going to take offense.


I don't really have a big issue on that front. Many child geared things have depicted characters dating. Maybe it's an unspoken rule not to allude to premarital sex but that's it.


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Additional problem: Does Sega even have the copyright/trademark to the character of Sally?



Yes. One of the reasons for example Archie never held a fancharacter contest was because EVERY character with few exceptions belong to them. Those exceptions being crossover stories. SEGA however doesn't want to tie Sonic to a girl and even if they did most of their fans don't. So you'd have to make some kind of compelling reason to win fans or gaurantee the emerence of new ones. To me its for the best, because it gives everyone the option to see Sonic with whoever they want. You would't like it if SEGA had your attitude (DCC) but with like say, Elise.

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 01:46 PM

Honestly, with all the mess regarding the right-holders of SatAM, you cannot say Sega defintivly has the copyright of Sally in a legal-watertight form. They have the right to veto everything with her since she's attached to Sonic; but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the current holders of the SatAM rights come out of the woodwork to sue Sega for a share of the profit, if they were to put dear Sally into the offical, game approved canon.

If Sega wins or not doesn't matter, the danger of a legal battle itself blacklists her - she isn't very well known and they have other girls. Sal isn't worth the trouble for Sega.

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 02:10 PM

SEGA doesn't own distribution rights to SatAM. It owns however the characters. So if ayone wanted to pitch revival it'd have to be from scratch.

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 10:48 PM

Sega isn't really as tight-fisted about the comic as some appear to think. What they prefer and what they actually allow are two different things; Ken Penders for one mentioned he could write with a largely free hand on both Sonic and Knuckles titles. Ian Flynn said much the same. Bottom line is, with very few exceptions Sega itself isn't responsible for the numerous trainwrecks throughout the series. The credit/blame lies almost entirely on the writers, and their own ideas on where the comic should go.
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Posted 09 December 2009 - 10:49 PM

From what I remember, though, they were responsible (at least partly) for bringing in Sonic Adventure and all that kind of stuff, which I think had a big part in derailing the comic.





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