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[BlazeyBakeneko]

I wouldn't be at all surprised that should he pair Sonic and Sally off, it's basis will be in the fan demand that he asked for after dropping a bomb like this.

To be honest, I always get a little suspicious when Ian says something is something "the fans demanded" If I recall correctly, he's said that both about using Scourge as much as he has, and about the reappearance of the "future storyline" in Sonic Universe. It seems like it's a defense he's beginning to use too often.

[The Man]

Somethings gotta happen with the FF's and Robotnik locked in this stalemate. I hate to point this out again but it's normal for the fans to continue liking relationships. We tend to favor the two people who were there first. (Sonic and Sally in SatAM)

But that debate isn't allowed here because it doesn't go anywhere. We know Sally was casted, and in another 1993 our time, Mina was with Sonic. Otherwise I don't know what else to say.

[BlazeyBakeneko]

and in another 1993 our time, Mina was with Sonic.

In an alternate 1993?O_o Or am I misunderstanding?^^;;

[BlazeyBakeneko]

@Miko: I'd say that you make a lot of good points about how Ian seems to derailed a lot of the supporting female characters in the comic. Amy seems to more or less just be there just to hit things(Probably part of why we have this face ), Mina is now almost completely irrelevant to the plot, and Fiona seems to have transformed into an entirely different person. Supposedly this is because her previous personality was just an act, and because her tragic past(Which she was starting to get over), drove her completely insane.

I'll admit, I didn't like the last two stories Ken Penders did for the comic(The "Evil Antoine" story, and the "Metal Sonic Troopers" one.) But I wouldn't say he never wrote anything i liked, and when Ian does stuff like this to the characters, it makes me miss Ken quite a bit.

[Cheezmatt]

You're kidding. Sally getting the hots for Khan? Scourge with Rouge? Is this really happening or just far-fetched speculation?

[BlazeyBakeneko]

You're kidding. Sally getting the hots for Khan? Scourge with Rouge? Is this really happening or just far-fetched speculation?

Nah, this stuff is actually canon, for better or worse. The book's been pretty strange since 2004, what with Karl and Ken getting fed up with each other, and Ian, well, being Ian.

[BlazeyBakeneko]

Thats why I suggested Sonic pick none of the girls and have ambigous, yet romantic relationships because if he's THAT infatuated with the idea of Sonic and Sally being together at least he can do it in a way that doesn't force it down everyone's throats who for the most part dont like the pairing.

The true girl for Sonic is obviously Tails. She's just been hiding her boobs under her chest-fur all these years.

In all seriousness, I kinda like the idea of a "Tenchi-Muyo" style set-up for the comic.

[John Roberts]

I dont think this is a genuine relationship either. The comic is dying and he's going to use this to justify why Sonsal is sooooo "popular" ....with the few fans who still remain with the book when the objective should be to cast a wider net to increase sales, which would mean possibly catoring more to the Amy fans since they're the majority. I mean its basic common sense if you want the comic to survive.

I personally hate the idea of shows that base their character relationships on person A being more popular than person C therefore she MUST be coupled with person B. It's boring and kinda lifeless if that is all that's going on for that couple - popularity. It should always be about where the characters are emotionally at the time, and how it feeds the overall story and character arcs. The characters don't necessarily have to be right for each other, mind you. Where's the fun in that? If the sole objective in pairing a couple together is to increase sales and catch a wider audience than they (the writers) have already missed the point in developing character relationships.

Of course, this is Archie Sonic we're talking about; they don't make you feel the relationships, they just tell you about it and demand you accept it. Yeah, no thanks. Like any good story idea you need to earn it. Sonic/Amy, Sally/khan, Sonic/Sally... to hell with what the 'popular' concept is, just gimme something with substance instead of the usual Archie tripe of 'Look! These characters are making with the smoochies now. READ IT!'.

At the end of the day you don't read this comic because of it's masterful character depiction (or if you do then you are one step away from a lobotomy). People read it because it's got a famous blue hedgehog attached to it. It's kind of like one of those badly written high profile actor movies where all the money and creative thinking for the movie went into hiring the damn famous actor, and using that as it's only hook.

So I'm interested in hearing who actually beleives Ian's going to keep this pairing?

Sally/Khan? Not a chance. Yeah it'll go on for a few issues (maybe), and then written away as quickly as it was written in, with no consequence and absolutely no development for either character, or the characters around them. More meaningless dribble.

[BlazeyBakeneko]

And the true man for him is Sally. Do you have any idea how many debates that comment has caused here?

Sally's quite good with stuffing those coconuts into his fur.

But yeah, after reading Miko's post, I feel that one of Ian's biggest problems is that he keeps trying to take old characters and awkwardly re-purpose them for his own goals.

Scourge used to be a run of the mill henchman/mercenary villain, similar to Nack and Rouge. Over time Ian turned him into this overpowered, overly "dark and edgy" Dragon Ball Z style villain, who killed his own father, was somehow able to take over an entire planet all by himself, and who everyone on his planet is afraid of because...well, because pretty much everyone on Anti-Mobius besides Scourge is apparently pre-disposed to be a coward. Overall, Ian seemed to be using Scourge as an excuse to turn the original Anti-Mobius into a partial clone of his "Other-M" comic, which also revolved around a "dark and edgy" alternate universe.

In Khan's case, Ian has taken a character who had a specific purpose for a few specific stories that ran about a decade ago, and saddled him with a ton of mental problems that he didn't have before, apparently in an attempt to fabricate a reason for Sally to date him from scratch.

And I second the notion that it sucks that, even after all these years, Bunnie still doesn't have an origin or family. Even Rotor and Antoine, who were often just as neglected, have this, at this point. Sonic Universe would be the perfect place to tell that kind of story, but, as far as I know, there's been no indication that this will happen.

[John Roberts]

She's not saying Amy or any of the girls NEED to be paired just because they're in canon media though, John.

I never said Viu was saying that at all. I was stating how much I hate idiots like Ian pulling that contrived stuff.

But I don't think SonAmy fans usually need that. Many may want that, but they don't need it.

Oh, exactly. To paraphrase something Joss Whedon said about fan demands: "In terms of not giving people what they want, I think it's a mandate: Don't give people what they want, give them what they need". People want the easy, happy resolution (Sally/Sonic, Amy/Sonic). What we need is the tension, and the danger, and all that other juicy character arc-y stuff.

But you just don't see that kind of enthusiasm when he writes Amy or any of Sonic's other female "friends".

I get that. It's shoddy writing all 'round to have one character more developed than another when both are fairly considered part of the main cast.

[DCC]

I believe in giving fans what they want eventually, it is fine to have some conflict and tension to make it interesting but it can be overdone, which I think Archie has done. In the comic's run Sally was almost killed off and Sonic acussed of her murder, they have had various love interest or potential love interest, a messy breakup that shouldn't have happened, and Sally was basicly forced to marry someone else. I am tired of it, and have been for some time. I've been ready for Sonic and Sally to be together. True, it is impossible to please all fans because they have different likes or taste.

As for Sally and Ken, assuming it is happening, I can't be supportive of it, and it better be temporary. I think Sonic and Sally are the best choice for each other and are more compatible than people think.

[MistressAli]

I don't really like the idea of Sally/Khan, mostly because I don't like Khan very much. He's kind of boring and mopey, and when he's not boring and mopey he's sort of God-moding. And he's dumb-looking. Maybe Sally and Eggman can become seXy lovers now that he's 'living' in Knothole and stuff. That would be wayyy more interesting

The problem I have with Sonic/Amy is that Amy's 'love' doesn't seem anything deeper than an insane crush. She wants him because he's cool and fast and sexy, it's an ego-stroke for her. I have a hard time seeing her actually being mature. I think they're really cute as friends and it would be nice to see a guy/girl friendship that's not steeped in romantic crap. (even if that's impossible. I know some people can't imagine a guy/girl relationship that doesn't have sexual tension, unless the guy is gay. I think that's kind of sad, but it's probably true....but still, I can hope...)

[furrykef]

To paraphrase something Joss Whedon said about fan demands: "In terms of not giving people what they want, I think it's a mandate: Don't give people what they want, give them what they need". People want the easy, happy resolution (Sally/Sonic, Amy/Sonic). What we need is the tension, and the danger, and all that other juicy character arc-y stuff.

I remember back when I was new here on FUS (well, I still kinda feel new here even though it's been a couple years) there was a thread where somebody used this argument to say that Sally "should" have died in the Endgame arc. I decided pretty much then and there that this "what fans want vs. what fans need" logic can kiss my ass. I dunno about you, but pulling that kind of shit would have been the last thing I'd ever need.

I'm not saying it's always best to cave in to fans' desires, but I definitely think it's possible to go too far in the other direction.

- Kef