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[Ratty Randnums]

Hahahahahahahaaha aha aha hahaha. I needed that.


And never got the Lupe fixation after her appearance in what, 2 episodes?

[John Roberts]

I didn't think much of her. The Wolf Pack's Native Americanesque rubbish always annoys me for some reason.

[Anaesthesia]

Jesus Christ, Korben, this is like the 400th time you've made a topic about how much you want to bone a cartoon character. Go fap to Urotsukidoji if you're that sexually frustrated.

[Vlad Yvhv]

*Takes aim at Korben and unclicks the safety.* Back off! She MAHNE! Mahne I tells ya! *Psychopathic redneck laughter*

On a (slightly) more serious note: Y'cain't go wrong with a wolf gal... I've always been more attracted to Lupe and the Wolf Girl With No Name than the other gals in the series. Nowadays, Lupe's also more of an age-appropriate attraction than, say, Sally or Bunny. Plus, she does have the Native American angle... And she could probly whup both Sally and Bunny's butts in a fight... All around winner, there...

[furrykef]

Jesus Christ, Korben, this is like the 400th time you've made a topic about how much you want to bone a cartoon character. Go fap to Urotsukidoji if you're that sexually frustrated.

I kinda have to agree here, these kinds of posts are getting annoying. :/

[Vlad Yvhv]

Fanitude aside, I have to agree with Anaesthesia and kef... Granted, part of being a guy is having sexual fantasies... But there's really a limit... Especially when it comes to sharing those fantasies with others... You wanna bone everything female, that's fine. But you don't need to tell us about it. As Travis Tritt put it:

Here's a quarter, call someone who cares.

[salamander]

And she could probly whup both Sally and Bunny's butts in a fight

Sally probably, but Bunnie? She's half metal, one punch from Bunnie and Lupe would be in traction.
I don't know why they'd be fighting in the first place though..

[Ratty Randnums]

Sally probably, but Bunnie? She's half metal, one punch from Bunnie and Lupe would be in traction.
I don't know why they'd be fighting in the first place though..

I wouldn't ask, as the given answer will probably involve mud.

[furrykef]

You wanna bone everything female, that's fine. But you don't need to tell us about it.

Nothin' wrong with tellin' people about it. Only thing is, 1) you need to tell people who are interested, and 2) you need to do it in a way that will interest them. So far I don't see that happenin' here.

[Velvet D'Coolette]

I kinda have to agree here, these kinds of posts are getting annoying. :/

I'll 3rd this.

I'll also 2nd John's lack of enthusiasm for the wolf pack's Native Americanism. It would be a lovely trope, but Native Americanism tends to be drastically overdone in real life. It's so overbearingly spiritual that it tends to be become a stock 'fandom' for New Agers, and has become really, really trite in my opinion.

There's a shop in one of Brighton's trendier backstreets that sells all Native American Indian stuff - dream catchers, bits of frayed leather, artwork of chief's heads appearing among the stars, energy crystals, those little stone flowers no doubt... you get the idea. I haven't been in there and I've tried to convince myself I'm interested in having a look. It certainly looks very atmospheric in there. But it's just been done to death.

Thank god for the Village People, who put a new twist on the Native American chief, eh? (by the way, how is a chief a naturally-occurring gay icon, anyway? I never got VP's logic on that one.)

There we go, Korb, that's how it's done. Now, discuss the appropriateness of Native Americanism in a Westernized non-terrestrial animated setting, bitches.

[Anaesthesia]

Granted, part of being a guy is having sexual fantasies...

But not part of being a woman, apparently.

I'll also 2nd John's lack of enthusiasm for the wolf pack's Native Americanism. It would be a lovely trope, but Native Americanism tends to be drastically overdone in real life. It's so overbearingly spiritual that it tends to be become a stock 'fandom' for New Agers, and has become really, really trite in my opinion.

This. While it deserves some kind of acknowledgment in the media, especially for a culture that's had a long, long history of getting the short end of the stick, more often than not it ends up being romanticized to the point that it cheapens the actual culture. Native American at least aren't portrayed as whooping savages anymore, but now they've instead ended up being portrayed as otherworldly sages with magical powers, much in the same way that Asians are often exotic, sagely kung fu masters. The TV Tropes entry on this stereotype is filled with tons of examples.

I can't recall how well that applies to Lupe and her pack, but I'm sure that throwing in a pseudo-Native American wolf pack is part of a common trend in sci-fi and fantasy to base societies on real life cultures. This could be because 1) it's easy and/or lazy writing because you've got already got a convenient template to build a society from and 2) it makes the fantasy culture seem a little less alien to readers.

[MistressAli]

Well, maybe they're just tribal Mobians. Even in today's world, there are still people who live the 'primitive' life in tribes and such. So Mobius must be the same. And I guess the staples of tribe life would be simplicity, and a greater appreciation for the earth and nature, being they live in it, they can -see- how it sustains their life. Unlike us, who just pick up stuff from a grocery store. They don't necessarily have to be Native Americans ;P

Granted, part of being a guy is having sexual fantasies...

But not part of being a woman, apparently.

Nevair! Women are as pure as the driven snow.

[Spade]

Who else thinks she's hot for a wolf chick from another planet? i do, since i was 13 and hot damn she can be a lapdancer for me.

Chief! This thread requires the services of your old MS Paint masterpiece of Lupe to balance out the insanity methinks.

[furrykef]

It's been a couple years since I saw the Wolf Pack episodes, but from what I remember, the Native American aspect of it wasn't that overdone. It was just kinda there, and that's it. Though maybe I've just forgotten all the stereotypes that the episodes invoke?

[Gojira007]

It's been a couple years since I saw the Wolf Pack episodes, but from what I remember, the Native American aspect of it wasn't that overdone. It was just kinda there, and that's it. Though maybe I've just forgotten all the stereotypes that the episodes invoke?

No, that's about accurate. For the most part it shows up in flashback form with Lupe recalling how the Wolf Pack made a point of living "at one with nature" and in the Wolf Pack's architecture, which is clearly designed to evoke that very idea. Still present, still a bit cloying, but nowhere near as thick as other examples I could think of. >3>

[BigWigRah]

wow, the second I saw the title, I knew Korben had written it. go figure. Thanks for steering the topic to a more interesting discussion Vel and co.

Call me naive if you must, but I didn't really pick up on the "native American" aspects of Lupe when I saw it the first time. They don't really delve into the stereotype that badly. The architecture isn't accurate at all and the clothing doesn't really hint at anything. The other wolves just seem like, well, brutish wolf people. the natives weren't exactly building elaborate cave systems. Most native Americans, particularly those out west, were nomadic people, and the wolf pack appeared to be sedentary prior to the coup.

[Vlad Yvhv]

My ancestors built some rather labyrinthine stuff inside of mounds and for the most part were an agricultural society. One does need to take into account that the Wolf Pack are mobians and high-tech stuff is even commonplace in the ruins of ancient mobian societies. As such, it wouldn't be unlikely for the Wolves to have adapted to use technology that didn't have much environmental impact. After all, they did have something that recorded the disk that Lupe gave Sally. Also, it seems that they were driven into the caves, rather than living there normally. They were also raiding Robotnik's outposts after being displaced, so they likely used more hightech stuff in the caves to help ensure their survival. Except for perhaps some braindead hippies, most people will adapt as best they can when the other option is death and the extinction of their people.

And as to the NAness stuff: When you rob cultures of their heritage, they can sort of over-compensate when trying to re-connect to that heritage... Also, don't confuse New Ageyness with NAness... If you're talking about stuff like crystals and whatnot, then you've probly got New Age stuff, rather then NA stuff (though there may have been some belief in crystals in some tribes). The vast majority of those who're guilty of ruining the NA image are white folks (sorry to sound racist, but it's the truth) who have/had no real clue about actual tribal beliefs and cultures...

[Ratty Randnums]

Well, there are certainly those among the Native Americans themselves who are willing to sell this idea to the highest bidder though Vlad.
Went to a "native american pow-wow" a year or two back that proved that.
Badly preserved skins of animals (a fox that was not skinned properly. as well as imperfectly preserved and soon to rot turtle shells and other things) a booth full of "Made in China"-stickered "Native American" trinkets.
And a booth full of things like "My heroes have always KILLED COWBOYS." bumper stickers. And these booths were manned by native americans by-and-large. On the uphand the book booth (ironically one of the few not manned by someone who could be visually identified as of NA descent at least) was decent. And the music was quite nice.

PS- the voice of Pocahontas in disney's film was there. Didn't know they'd bothered to get an actual Native to voice her. (Was from Alaska as I recall.)

[Ratty Randnums]

Hiccup double post.