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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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#1 fishtheimpaler

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 07:15 AM

http://www.conservap...e_Bible_Project

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Liberal bias has become the single biggest distortion in modern Bible translations. There are three sources of errors in conveying biblical meaning are, in increasing amount:
*lack of precision in the original language, such as terms underdeveloped to convey new concepts introduced by Christ
*lack of precision in modern language
*translation bias in converting the original language to the modern one.

Experts in ancient languages are helpful in reducing the first type of error above, which is a vanishing source of error as scholarship advances understanding. English language linguists are helpful in reducing the second type of error, which also decreases due to an increasing vocabulary. But the third -- and largest -- source of translation error requires conservative principles to reduce and eliminate.[1]

As of 2009, there is no fully conservative translation of the Bible which satisfies the following ten guidelines:[2]

*Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias

*Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity

*Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level[3]

*Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;[4] defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle".

*Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots";[5] using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census

*Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.

*Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning

*Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story

*Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels

*Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word "Lord" rather than "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Lord God."

Thus, a project has begun among members of Conservapedia to translate the Bible in accordance with these principles. The translated Bible can be found here.


Pushing the "mainstream media" disconfirmation trick into the past is a truly brilliant move for the self-replicating thought pattern, which I am now increasingly able to see as some sort of independent virus that merely colonizes human minds. History has been poisoned by at least the first century A.D., by the forces of the left! Presumably before that, too. Back then they didn't even have Jesus!

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 08:58 AM

'Conservapedia...?' *shudders* The front page of that place give me the willies.


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Posted 08 October 2009 - 09:38 AM

Well, well, this is certainly a curious plan to see in motion. I'm wondering about the extent of your views as to this, Fish. Would you be so kind as to inform us further? I'd gladly hear your interpretation of the extent of this article and the general undertakings.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 04:00 PM

Well, I guess that what makes this humorous or interesting to me is that in recent years the far right has developed this increasing insularity in its thinking that makes frequent use of a pair of key, intertwined features:

(1) questioning the reliability of information based on the source that provides it

(2) classifying a source as questionable based on the type of information that it provides

If that sounds circular, it is. To some degree, everybody's mind functions like this a little, working in most ordinary circumstances to exclude information that falls well outside of the ordinary one is prepared to accept. That guy marching up and down North Michigan with the sign saying "FBI AGENT JOHN HINKMAN STOP RAPING MY WIFE"--to be honest, it's not like it's impossible that an FBI agent is raping that man's wife over and over, but you aren't exactly inclined to believe it. Something about the unlikelihood of the basic concept, and the way the man is marching up and down the sidewalk, would probably cause you to take any explanation you heard from him with a grain of salt. Other, more standard and accepted sources of information (newspapers, television, books, magazines) are accepted with much less automatic question. If Nova tells me that neutrinos have mass, my reaction will be, "oh, scientists have discovered that neutrinos have mass"; if FBI AGENT JOHN HINKMAN sign man tells me that neutrinos have mass, I will tap my foot nervously and silently urge the light to change more quickly.

What the far right wing in America is currently doing is deploying that double-instinct much more frequently than people have been wont to do for a while in the United States. The result is a if not large, then at least highly visible segment of the population pulling away from most commonly accepted sources of information and drawing information in large part entirely from a closed system of information sources that declare most information sources suspect. Or, to use more typical language, "you can't believe the mainstream media; it refuses to report the truth in order to further the liberal agenda."

This has some roots in the notion of "liberal media bias" in the 80s and 90s and to a degree before that the "silent majority" in the 70s. These phenomena drew from the sense of right-wingers that major news-sources did not share the same opinion as they did, and that these opinions would be reflected in the way they reported news. Both of these movements felt that conservative opinion was underrepresented in major media as a result.

What's different about the present "DON'T BELIEVE MSM LIES" phenomenon is that it does not concern itself with mere bias in presentation, but claims that factual information reported from major, centrist news sources--places like CNN, your standard non-partisan watchdogs like factcheck.org--are not to be trusted, because the sources will lie in an effort to gather political power in the hands of the listener's enemies.

[More in a bit via edit, have to go afk for a while]

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 04:21 PM

Conservatives will believe whatever reaffirms the beliefs they've already had since childhood. /what comforts them and "proves" their preconceived notions to be correct. What makes the universe more simple and less scary. This is just it being taken to it's logical conclusion I guess. Paranoia and refusal to except evidence of reality being exploited to make marionettes.
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Posted 08 October 2009 - 04:31 PM

Considering that disagreement over the meaning and authenticity of the Bible is as old as the Bible itself, most of this didn't sound too bad (aside from constant overuse of "liberal" -- I'm so tired of hearing that term used as if it were inherently derogatory)... until I noticed that Conservapedia is behind it.

That entire website exists in a reality distortion field. Have you seen their article on Barack Hussein Obama?

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 05:46 PM

So anyway yeah, what's remarkable about this is just what seems to be a massive expansion in the potential scope of the evil conspiracy of falsehood and a willingness to excise against really core texts. I mean, Kef, obviously Bible translations and study disputes are old hat, but these are the same guys who back in the 90s were bitching about the Jesus Seminar as a bunch of communist degenerates who wanted to destroy western society. These same people think that the parts of this text that they aren't excising are the True Word of God, that the miracles described in it actually happened, etc. etc. etc. So: people rising from the grave, totally believable and don't you dare suggest otherwise, but obviously the part where he shames a mob into not killing a prostitute with rocks has to be some sort of evil invention! (Note that only "liberal" interpolations are to be removed, presumably because that's the only kind of improper additions there are.)

Also interesting about this is the way the "adulteress story" is called "liberal" despite the fact that it was undoubtedly "invented" sometime in the early first millenium a.d., before the word "liberal" even existed or capitalism existed or anything that postdated the Roman Empire existed. The past is invariably reinterpreted into just another version of the present; presumably whoever came up with the adulteress story was motivated by exactly the same cackling, communist evil that motivates CNN to not report that there are a billion people at the 9/12 rally against health care reform, or evil Hawaiian doctors to lie and say that Obama was born there, when instead he had to be born outside of the United States, for more evil.




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Posted 08 October 2009 - 06:15 PM

Well, considering even icanhascheezburger translated the Bible, I can't see a problem with this as long as they translate it as accurately and unbiased as possible. Of course, being humans that is nearly impossible.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 07:17 PM

Does it really matter how or if they translate it at all? Those who believe in the bible are still going to believe, regardless, and those that don't, won't.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 07:21 PM

Alternate Reality Project? Now that sounds really interest... oh, urm, another bible translation? Oh, yippee. Just what I've always wanted.

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Does it really matter how or if they translate it at all? Those who believe in the bible are still going to believe, regardless, and those that don't, won't.

Yup! And those that use it to spread their own dirty agendas and weirdo political convictions will keep doing so no matter what.

The only way to truly fix the bible is to turn it into a 'choose your own adventure' story. And the angel of the lord came down, and he spoketh amongst the believers... to pray - turn to page 9; to debate with your fellow believers about this so-called 'angel' showing up - go to page 13; to continue hitting your wife - move on to the next page.
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Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:13 PM

QUOTE (randomizer @ Oct 8 2009, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, considering even icanhascheezburger translated the Bible, I can't see a problem with this as long as they translate it as accurately and unbiased as possible. Of course, being humans that is nearly impossible.


How can a translation effort that specifically states that it has politically conservative aims possibly be unbiased? I'd call that the very definition of bias.

Also, again, this project is being run by Conservapedia. I'll say it again: Have you seen their article on Barack Hussein Obama?

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 05:08 AM

I'd just like to point out again that it's not just a translation project (even though that part of the project is sophomoric enough; some particularly bad choices being the use of "elites" for "Pharisees"), but that they are cutting out the parts they don't like. On the ground that those portions of text are interpolations, so presumably there will have to be some semi-plausible ground for a removal, but it's not like you aren't going to find a lot of ways to argue that things were inserted after the fact, given that the damn text is thousands of years old. Their chief example is that the story of the adulteress has to go: Jesus favors harsh punishments for criminals.

I particularly love it because of how 1984 it is, the way the CSP people turn on their own most sacred texts as inaccurate and in need of revision the moment they become inconvenient.
"We need harsher penalties for criminals!"
"But Jesus said that--"
"Liberal sabotage in my Bible! Goldstein! Aaaaaargh!" (tears pages out of Bible)

For more 1984 fun, note the statement in there that the CB will use "conservative words," and follow the link on the page to an argument that the conservatism's triumph over liberalism is inevitable because conservatives create more new words than liberals do.

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 05:59 AM

I don't know if I can really take this seriously. The hardcore users of Conservapedia led by Andy Schafly are very real and very scary, but they only make up a tiny fraction of the people who edit the Wiki; the rest are mostly trolls and trolls trolling trolls. I'm kind of doubting that this project will go too far.
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Posted 09 October 2009 - 12:26 PM

The whole page is creepy, but it's a case study in the spread of denial and (self) delusion almost as wonderful as my dysfunctional extended family.*

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 01:19 PM

Yeah, goddamn liberal homo jesus all about caring for the weak! they should pay their health care bills and go bankrupt like the rest of us!

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 02:06 PM

Jesus was such a hippy, too. He lived with his parents and never had an honest paying job, the bum.
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Posted 09 October 2009 - 02:29 PM

Jesus didn't even live with his parents, dude! He slipped away when he was only 12 years old. His parents had to go lookin' for him. Then when he finally "moved away", he crashed at other people's houses or boats. Madman, I tell you.

I read the NASB (New American Standard Bible). It's a more accurate translation than most other translated Biblical works.

It always scares me when they try to re translate the Bible. I can see in most translations why people can't understand it, or why some think the Bible is exclusive. It's not. People who claim to be "Christians" make it sound that way.
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Posted 09 October 2009 - 03:59 PM

They don't see their church as being about, well, the religion.

They see it as being about themselves.

Hence, any inconsistencies between themselves and the source material can be done away with by rewriting the source material.

Not that people haven't done this before, mind you.

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 04:55 PM

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but that they are cutting out the parts they don't like.


True, but I think everyone believing in the Bible does so. Like the anti-gay fanatic who goes on about 'God hating queers' and yet ignoring the part about stoning disobedient children to death. xD Yeah, I see what you mean, how they would totally eliminate a portion from even being read, thus never personally interpreted. I guess that would depend on how widespread the Conservapedia version gets. Is it going to be in book form, is it going to outsell or replace the old translations? I would doubt it.

Not that I support their dopey project or anything, I just don't see it having much impact. The website as a whole is rather scary/creepy though.

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 08:51 PM

Wait... Am I reading this right?

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* mastery of the Bible, which is priceless
* mastery of the English language, which is valuable
* thorough understanding of the differences in Bible translations, particularly the historically important King James Version
* benefiting from activity that no public school would ever allow; a Conservative Bible could become a text for public school courses
* liberals will oppose this effort, but they will have to read the Bible to criticize this, and that will open their minds


Particularly, number 4. There is no way in America that they would allow the Bible to be read in Public schools. I mean, I've always liked the idea of both Evolution and Intelligent Design being taught side-by-side, and that's gone nowhere fast. I see no way the Bible would be allowed to be used as an actual text book.
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