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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


Archie says fun =/= "dark"


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#1 Guest_Miko_*

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 08:12 AM

Many can argue that they'd been phasing out of SatAM for a long time now. But, I think it's safe to say that pretending Julian never existed is taking "phasing out" to a whole new level. And while phasing out has happened, I'm evaluating the present basis for doing so, as well as just the phase out of any dark tones in the story that even Ken and Karl didn't mind handing.

This was from the Sonic grams in SU (7?) :

"Hello! I just want to say that your comics are awesome! The Sonic Universe series is really funny; Omega is one of my favorite characters! Everytime he speaks and destroys his foes, I imagine him talking gangsta'-like. He's so cool! I just want to know if y'all/SEGA are going to make a darker Sonic series like the "grown up" game Shadow the Hedgehog. They gave Shadow guns, then gave Sonic a sword, and made him transform into a werehog. I like the improvements of the games, but I'm wondering what's next?"

and the response?


While the comics will sometimes have their "darker" momemts. we're really more interested in telling fun stories. You can have fun with a little bit of edge but you can't really be all grim-and-gritty and still be accessible to everyone. We're sure you'll like where we go with things though!

some of you squinting at the black and yellow contrasts...it's purely intentional. Feel the shinyness ;)

So, first of all, wow. Archie (and I'm going to take this to mean Ian, because it sure as hell sounds like something he'd say) is saying that a "grim-and-gritty" story isn't accessible to everyone. Y'know because what with Archie's dismal sales and making constant moves to gain new readers : Tania's "manga" Sabrina trying to cash in on manga fans, SU trying to make people interested in the underdeveloped deadweight in their main series so people will give a damn to read it, Archie having to FINALLY get married and out of high school? Yeah. With all the stunts Archie and general has had to pull out it's ass and fact Sonic's sales have declined before the recession (and right at the time I might add Ian got here), Who are they really to tell anybody what a "fun story" is? This book is not "fun" it is on the extreme opposite end of the specturum of "darkness" and has "problem phobia"--crying drama the moment a character stubs their toe. It's often rushed with uninspired characters, the writers put characters on tiers they clearly don't belong on, and the writing doesn't actually facilitate the characters regularly in it. You'd think Archie could learn from it's history what with having to phase out of AoStH tone because people didn't like Sonic too lighthearted.

I'd also at this point make mention that characters like Batman kick the ass of this comic's sales, are still cultural icons, have managed to appeal to children much better than this book, and don't mind in the slightest being routinely "dark". I don't necessarily advocate that the comic NEEDS to be as dark as the actual comic books. Though when you compare the Batman franchise, there's a spectrum to darkness still more popular than this book but not really bleed-your-eyes bright. BtAS was not having the joker rape women or walking into elderly homes to murder people. Nor was Bruce constantly brooding and having persistent flashbacks about the loss of his family, popping guns, being 'gangsta-like and shagging hoes. I don't see why, the tone of this letter must imply something being wrong or abnormal for being interested in a darker story. If Batman, Spiderman or even X-Men, have been accessible to people of all ages, I really am not in the mood to hear this franchise (well..more specifically Ian) make excuses for it's happy happy preferences which it should just state.

So anyway, my second problem is actually with the kid being selected as the "spokesperson" for folks who are tired of Ian's "bleed-you-eyes-SHINIIIES" style of writing. Like I said I'm for one am not asking for routine rape and drug abuse. But the Sonic mythos even started on a tangent darker than this and it never had a problem being accessible to everyone.

* Robotnik enslaving Sonic's furry friends? Check. And before someone says "waaah but they're not sentient so it's not the same," in both the US and JP manuals Tails gets his name from the animals. The friends and so fourth taken from Sonic are most certainly sentient.

*Robotnik taking over cities and refineries where Sonic resides. Check.

*Sonic hating and fighting this oppression. Check.

Is there a regular story featuring rape in that? Murder? No. But the basic premise suggests Sonic routinely has a loss that oppresses him that he's fighting to get back. That was really the main staple of the initial plotline. My problem is how this comic (and most particularly Ian) justify their style of writing and the complete "phasing out" of the attempted atmosphere SatAM went for (which is most reminicent of the three points I mentioned above). Instead of saying "well, I don't like Sonic stories that aren't very light-hearted" they take the interest some people would have in a story a somewhat darker (but not brooding story) and using one kid's request to make it sound like such people mean that they want to see things like "Shadow with guns" "Sonic with a sword" and "werehog Sonic". Sometimes I have to wonder if some of the letters are made up. Why the hell would they think this letter summed up people's interests? Werehog Sonic and Sonic having a sword is "dark"? They do realize that in all their "fun" stories Antoine regularly totes a sword too right? Way to pick a letter that reflects how a good deal of people actually think regarding this book.

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 12:49 PM

QUOTE (Miko @ Oct 2 2009, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
some of you squinting at the black and yellow contrasts...it's purely intentional. Feel the shinyness ;)


For me it's a light blue and yellow contrast. Or, rather, lack of contrast. Impossible to read without highlighting over it. tongue.gif


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Posted 02 October 2009 - 12:53 PM

I miss when Sonic got away with threatening to kill an Acorn guard with a sword for shooting his uncle.


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Posted 02 October 2009 - 01:19 PM

QUOTE (Miko @ Oct 2 2009, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just want to know if y'all/SEGA are going to make a darker Sonic series like the "grown up" game Shadow the Hedgehog.

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 07:00 PM

I know.The comic is trying so hard to be so PC clean and happy and close to the game that its just sick looking at.It's like lumping Sonic together in the same universe as 1920's Mickey Mouse.Happy and cheerful smiles.Nothing gets anyone down and it ends with big laughs and the further alienation of any sort of long term progress.

Remember when Robotnik killed everyone and Sonic sliced off his arm? I miss those days.

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 07:50 PM

Crap, the reason Batman and other comics like it are so popular is BECAUSE they're dark. Most people don't pick up comics wanting a cute, happy tale about little bunnie rabbits and sunshine. They want darkness, violence, good vs evil, epic happenings and memorable characters. At least, that's why I would pick up a comic book. And that's why I liked SatAM. It wasn't an emo despair-fest, and it wasn't happy-shiny. There's only so much real world things that can go into a family friendly show, but they did it quite nicely, leaving it open to darker interpretations and still being ok for the young ones to see.

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 08:02 PM

Ironically there has been more death and mass murder during Ian's time than the comic's entire run, but they've had next to no impact due to careless and unceremonious (forgive the pun) execution. The flippant attitude towards such heavy subject matter is one of Ian's narrative failings I find particularly repulsive.
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Posted 02 October 2009 - 08:49 PM

I too get pretty sick of people whining about how SatAM is "too dark" despite the fact it's premise is practically from Sonic 1/2 to the letter. I feel like yeah, SatAM was darker than modern Sonic games, but that doesn't mean it was necessarily wrapped around bein g a brooding show where everyone heaved and sighed about their problems.

I also hate the fact that, death has been signifficantly cheapened to suit Ian's happy go lucky image or that it was ever used so much given the tone he's aiming for. Everytime someone dies the characters cry (even if it's like Connery and they've NEVER REALLY MET HIM before) but then they get over it by the next issue. Even though fans hated Tommy, it doesn't mean Sonic had to pretty much forget about his death. He didn't even get angry at Eggman or anyone. Sure I don't feel Sonic has much in the way of friendships outside of Sally, but he could've been unnerved for a good while at least since he was trying at least, to consider Tommy a friend. Remember when death actually meant something like Endgame?

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 08:58 PM

This is a long-running series.

Advantages - Many references and plot development. Good art and stories desirable and undesirable.

Disadvantage - Boring, devaluing, redundant. The story is understood so well it's hard to stay interested.

Conclusion: We'll try to stay interested somehow.

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:08 AM

I am not sure making the comic less dark has anything to do with getting away from Sat a.m. as much as wanting to be less violent because of the comic code and Sega and Archie's own feelings. They probably want to keep violence to a minium. I have mixed feelings about it, I wouldn't want the comic to get overly violent or have mass death, especially among the core Freedom Fiighters. Still, sometimes I think Sonic can be too soft on the villains, and realistically you don't win wars by being nice to the enemy. I'd like to see the Freedom Fighters really fight to win.

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 12:23 PM

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I am not sure making the comic less dark has anything to do with getting away from Sat a.m.


The atomosphere required to make SatAM's story meant there needed to be some degree of darkness in it. Not to say that it had to be DC Batman dark or anything, but it was to some degree. By giving the chararacters just about everything they want, and being 'problem phobic', you inadvertly imply that your phasing out of SatAM because the very status quo of the plot relied on characters having routine problems and losses.

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They probably want to keep violence to a minium.


But there have been routine genocides and issues upon issues (this current arc being a good example) being dedicated to little more than manfights. How is that keeping violence to a minimum?

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 04:23 PM

QUOTE (Shorty @ Oct 7 2009, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But there have been routine genocides and issues upon issues (this current arc being a good example) being dedicated to little more than manfights. How is that keeping violence to a minimum?

Violence is fine so long as it is clean, inspiring, and doesn't produce any lasting consequences for the characters. You know, like the Grenada invasion. How many of you instantly know what I'm talking about when I mention the genocide in Star Wars? Took you a moment, didn't it?

BTW, Shorty, you keep using that "manfights" neologism of yours, with or without the insipid y, and you're going to the moon.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 08:30 PM

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Violence is fine so long as it is clean, inspiring, and doesn't produce any lasting consequences for the characters.


I don't know about that last part. Oh sure, violence within the realm of family friendly franchises has to be clean and inspiring, but to not have any lasting consequences? If nothing bad can happen ever happen (ex: the failure of an important mission, captured/robotcized comrades, etc.) then the story itself gets trite because it grows too predictable for people after awhile.



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BTW, Shorty, you keep using that "manfights" neologism of yours, with or without the insipid y, and you're going to the moon.


I don't quite follow what you mean, exactly.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:11 PM

I'm not sure what's hard to follow. It means, "I don't like the made-up term 'manfights', and if you keep using it, I will hit you so hard you will fly to the moon."

Not saying that I agree with the sentiment, it's just what it says. ^^;

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 05:41 PM

LOL. My bad, I totally misread that. In that case, I'll now give Fish my reply.

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MAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNFFFFFFFFFIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!111

Sorry, but I couldn't resist.

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 11:47 PM

Meanwhile, I'm fighting with the boss man over something.

*recieves a small nic like a former star ship captain*

Ow it hurts. At least we've moved up a little from that kind of violence. From Kirk getting a papercut of a wound to a hedgehog blowing up robots and assaulting people.

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:07 AM

The last time Sonic actually destroyed a robot was maybe over a year ago. The Freedom Fighters hardly even harmed the armed Dark Egg Legion soldiers that were opening fire on them.


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Posted 12 October 2009 - 10:02 PM

I bet it's because the FF's are so experienced they don't have to actually fight anymore. Could there be any other reasons?

...continues writing own story.

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 07:55 PM

Been reading since issue 13.

The story seems fine to me. Better than a few years ago with Tommy the Turtle and ADAM.

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 11:56 PM

Honesty?

Yes, from what I've read and felt that actual darkness and danger element is lost. Either the FF's should have been crushed or the FF's should have toppled any form of Eggman/Robotnik/Robobrain or whatever is name is.

Do we need a new element like a villian or are we going to continue in this circle of special characters vs. mammoths mayhems. The FF's vs. the new dr. genius.

Sure, we complain about a certain element is lacking but it might be natural for a story lasting so long. But even the best story can grow a little predictable and dissatisfying.

You see where I'm going...

Next week - why we like the 'lighter' elements of Soinc. ;)

Overall:

Sonic SatAM Original episodes - none score below a 6 out of 10.

Archie - none of them score below a 4 out of 10 where 4 is very rare.

Sonic Team - no idea. Going to be main story despite other universes.

IMO.




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