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[Malus Hedgehog]

Recently my brother and I were discussing the rather convoluted relationship between snively and "Uncle Julian."
among the excessively random points we touched on were how, exactly, Snively is related to Robotnik if they are the only two humans left on the face of Mobius, and why Snively had hair on the top of his head but none on the back and sides. we then diverged to how the Sinv-The long suffering lackey- could consent to remain in ol' blubberbolt's gratuitous shadow and the recipient of constant abuse without finally cracking under the strain. I wondered what would happen if robotnik administered one nose tweak too many...

Robotnik: "Snively, get in here!"

Snively enters, smoldering slightly.

Snively: "*Koff* Yes sir, sorry sir. When you called I had to leave that fire in terminal 43..."

Robotnik: "Shut UP, Snively."

Snively: "What seems to be the trouble, sir?"

Robotnik: "That freedom fighter I was entertaining proved to be uncooperative, and... You know."

Snively: "Yes sir. I noticed all those stains on the wall. I'll get workerbots on cleanup right away before it starts attracting flies."

Robotnik: "Just make it fast. I'm in no mood for any more disturbances! I want you monitoring the southern end of the city for the hedgehog for the rest of the evening. Get to it."

Snively: "But sir... we agreed that I could have the afternoon off. I haven't been on FUS in so long and I need to change my forum skin..."

Robotnik: "Really? All this pathos is giving me a migraine. Report to monitor 3 immediately!"

snively sputters and turns a delicate shade of red. there is a pregnant pause, only punctuated by snively's wheezing.

Robotnik: "Are you still there?"

Snively: "You... bastard!"

Robotnik: "What was that, Snively?!?!?!"

Snively: "You're a big fat red bastard, Uncle Julian!"

Robotnik stares at him, flabbergasted.

Snively: "Some times I lay awake at night dreaming about what I would do to you! I hate my life... but i hate you for making me hate it!"

Robotnik: "That's a tad redun..."

the rest of the scene would be cut because ABC wouldn't like that level of emotion to be shown in a cartoon.

[Cheezmatt]

If Snively ever did snap at Robotnik he'd be a smear on the War Room walls. See episode No Brainer, where his "Bottom-dwelling scum sucker!" remark almost had him turned to human paste.

[The Man]

Being in second in command of a planet has a nice power ring to it.

Besides his normal job and watching for FF's, he has all this time to relax or do anything.

[SBaby]

If Snively ever did snap at Robotnik he'd be a smear on the War Room walls. See episode No Brainer, where his "Bottom-dwelling scum sucker!" remark almost had him turned to human paste.

Well... That would be the case, unless he pulls a Kefka. If he pulled a Kefka, he would become the new main villain.

[Valerie Valens]

Oh come on, Snively is hardly Kefka material. He would crap his pants a million times over before that can even come close to happening.

[Vlad Yvhv]

Who's Kefka?

I figure that he takes his frustrations out on the robots and any Freedom Fighters they capture. Maybe he's got a shooting gallery with Robotnik's face on the targets down in wherever he was hiding in Doomsday?

[Malus Hedgehog]

Who's Kefka?

I figure that he takes his frustrations out on the robots and any Freedom Fighters they capture. Maybe he's got a shooting gallery with Robotnik's face on the targets down in wherever he was hiding in Doomsday?

It's interesting to ponder what Snively would do to any freedom fighters he got his hands on. As evidenced in "No Brainer," he seemed to enjoy the brief Psychological superiority he briefly exerted over the FFs. It seems that sniv could be quite a competent villain so long as the action didn't get too close to him.

[Lord Exor]

If Snively ever did snap at Robotnik he'd be a smear on the War Room walls. See episode No Brainer, where his "Bottom-dwelling scum sucker!" remark almost had him turned to human paste.

Seconded. The road of life would end for Snively.

[The Man]

Who's Kefka?

I figure that he takes his frustrations out on the robots and any Freedom Fighters they capture. Maybe he's got a shooting gallery with Robotnik's face on the targets down in wherever he was hiding in Doomsday?

Are you pulling our leg with not knowing who Kefka is? Click on my sig and find my video of defeating Kefka low level completion(B Category). I could provide the link if you don't really know.

Snively is clearly not completely bent on getting the FF's much as Robotnik. He doesn't beat himself or anyone else up over it too much. I don't think he would even if he could.

To state the obvious it's mostly Robotnik does the lion's share of the planning and Snively doesn't want to get too much in the way of it. Although it's clear Robotnik has a temper no matter whose plan fails if it meant success for him.

Overall I wonder why Robotnik or the FF's didn't come to a quicker outcome. I guess it's a cartoon for a reason. I've heard or wars lasting days or decades but we don't have all the details about the show.

[Cheezmatt]

I think their little war was only started in the very recent past. It's sort of unlikely they'd be attacking Robotropolis at age 5, you know?

[The Man]

Once Sonic or someone else emerged from the Great Forest for the first time(presumbably at 10) I wonder why Robotnik didn't catch on? It feels like he could have won quicker. There was a user called Demushin who pointed out how easily it would be to track someone in a forest by satelite assuming Robotnik had one.

In addition to that foot prints, sounds, fallen and cut trees for huts should give off clues where they might be but I don't know how much it's worth dwelling over that.

The development of anything could be considered the hardest part. It would be nice to know more details about the early years. Fanfic Anyone..

[Cheezmatt]

The idea of eps like Harmonic Sonic (god forbid) was that the Great Forest was too, er, GREAT for conventional satellite. Most trees were taller than skyscrapers. Knothole itself was situated in a valley. They may as well have been living underground. There are other factors too of course, but well... you can't clarify everything in a show.

[John Roberts]

Well... conventional warfare for finding their location aside (it honestly would not be that hard as you don't need clear sat images to find possible hide locations in dense vegetation - no matter how 'Great' it is), was it ever established that Robotnik even knew that the Great Forest is where Knothole was hidden?

[Cheezmatt]

Hm, well... Heads or Tails had that whole plan to spray the forest with defoliant for the sole purpose of exposing Knothole. Then again it was the pilot episode... but then there's No Brainer, where Snively pretty well assumed that's where they'd find the Freedom Fighters. Who knows though? Every other time it seemed they had no clue.

[Valerie Valens]

Still, it's plenty of time for Robotnik to build and manufacture a type of bot that could comb the forest.

[Malus Hedgehog]

Still, it's plenty of time for Robotnik to build and manufacture a type of bot that could comb the forest.

Perhaps Buttnik knew more about the FF's location than he let on. in "Game Guy" his drones were able to pursue Ari pretty deep into the forest to an area where Sonic was bound to see them. Plus, a skyspy was observing them afterwards. Also-in "No Brainer", Snively had live video feed to knothole!

[acstrife]

I'm sure realistically the Freedom fighters would have to move quite a few times due to Robotnik's technology. They are long time inhabitants of the forest, they know it like the back of their hand.

[Silicate]

I am not one to show a solid appreciation for the SatAM canon material, as interesting as some of it's implications may be. I've only my own opinion as to the matter.

Personally, I would prefer to believe that Robotnik had much more sinister plans in store for the Great forest, and other similar areas of dense biomass; simply becaue he has a destructive vendetta against organic life does not exclude him from having greater plans in mind with relation to it's extermination and/or conversion. (Not to mention that it's various patterns, such as genesis and biodiversity, might hold some mysterious value to him ...I have my own ideas, but now doesn't seem the time to go about speaking of them while they are still relatively undeveloped.)

As for Exor's opinion on the original matter, I largely stand behind him in his regards.

[SBaby]

It's interesting to ponder what Snively would do to any freedom fighters he got his hands on. As evidenced in "No Brainer," he seemed to enjoy the brief Psychological superiority he briefly exerted over the FFs. It seems that sniv could be quite a competent villain so long as the action didn't get too close to him.

That's what I mean. Kefka was a pushover until he really came into power. If he'd never gotten ahold of the Goddess Statues, he'd be all talk and no action (and a royal joke of a villain). He would've stayed a lackey to Ghestal, and probably been killed in the first half of the game. And by the time you get to him again, even with all of his new power, he's still a pushover.

Now if Snively got ahold of some kind of major power source, he'd definitely become much more of a threat. All it would really take is the right motivation to push him over the edge.

[Vlad Yvhv]

Are you pulling our leg with not knowing who Kefka is? Click on my sig and find my video of defeating Kefka low level completion(B Category). I could provide the link if you don't really know.

No. I honestly have no idea who Kefka is... Also, I have a slow internet connection. So, video links won't be of any help to me.