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[Cheezmatt]

A sequence where Rouge dies horribly? Hell, I'd pay to see it.

[SBaby]

A sequence where Rouge dies horribly? Hell, I'd pay to see it.

I'd rather have a 'Robotnik murders Eggman' sequence. But don't tell anyone it was Robotnik right away. Then maybe the rest of it could be a mystery, where everyone's trying to find out whodunnit.

[wildfire]

Well, at the end of what i've been calling "The Chaos Chronicles" after several twists and turns and what have you, Sonic uses the emeralds to help end the war. But for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. After the massive flux of Chaos Energy, on the opposite end of the planet, it converges to become an entity of pure negetive energy. He calls himself Shadow, and he lives only to destroy. Destroy the planet, destroy Mobotropolis, and most of all, destroy Sonic the Hedgehog...

But since i've yet to write this, idk exactly what's going to happen.

[Chaosmaster8753]

Well, at the end of what i've been calling "The Chaos Chronicles" after several twists and turns and what have you, Sonic uses the emeralds to help end the war. But for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. After the massive flux of Chaos Energy, on the opposite end of the planet, it converges to become an entity of pure negetive energy. He calls himself Shadow, and he lives only to destroy. Destroy the planet, destroy Mobotropolis, and most of all, destroy Sonic the Hedgehog...

But since i've yet to write this, idk exactly what's going to happen.

Not too shabby. I've been considering my own ideas for Shadow.

[wildfire]

Not too shabby. I've been considering my own ideas for Shadow.

Well, when working with the Chaos Emeralds, like the others have already said. You have to balance things out so that they don't end up overpowered. And as far as the religion thing goes, it's more of a plot device to explain the existence of the Chaos Emeralds. The Echidnas are the main keepers of this religion, so it's not something that's well known off of Angel Island (named to differenciate from SatAM's other Floating Island). But this is more of a possible, I could write it at some point kind of thing.

As far as the show itself is concerned, i'd like to see something a little darker in tone now that the majority of SatAM's fans are grown up. As I said before, it's something that would need a reboot to draw in more people than the die hard. But isn't tv in general darker these days? And with anime's prevelance to showing violence and what have you, it's proven there is an audience for a more serious show.

Any thoughts?

[Chaosmaster8753]

Well, when working with the Chaos Emeralds, like the others have already said. You have to balance things out so that they don't end up overpowered. And as far as the religion thing goes, it's more of a plot device to explain the existence of the Chaos Emeralds. The Echidnas are the main keepers of this religion, so it's not something that's well known off of Angel Island (named to differenciate from SatAM's other Floating Island). But this is more of a possible, I could write it at some point kind of thing.

As far as the show itself is concerned, i'd like to see something a little darker in tone now that the majority of SatAM's fans are grown up. As I said before, it's something that would need a reboot to draw in more people than the die hard. But isn't tv in general darker these days? And with anime's prevelance to showing violence and what have you, it's proven there is an audience for a more serious show.

Any thoughts?

I do think that the Chaos Emeralds should have more use than just transforming into a Super form.

[Vlad Yvhv]

Darker's alright, so long as it's not taken too far... This's SatAM, not Batman, y'know? It wouldn't work as Batman... Wouldn't be fun to watch, anymore... But, yeah... Tone down the more "kiddie cartoon" aspects. We don't really need those.

[wildfire]

Like I said, keep your audience in mind. The majority of SatAM's fans are grown up (late teens at least) and cartoons in general are getting more action oriented.

[SBaby]

Like I said, keep your audience in mind. The majority of SatAM's fans are grown up (late teens at least) and cartoons in general are getting more action oriented.

Exactly. It's alright to be kid-friendly to some degree. But nowadays alot of people are into shows like Naruto and Bleach. Much more violent than the cartoons of old, but still not too over-the-top.

If you ask me though, I'd say to make the level of the early 90s X-Men series the limit for anything connected to SatAM.

[The Man]

The show survives through Sea3on Comic here and to some extend Archie for those who are impure. Lets not try to give it any more of an identity crisis as it is.

It's like Captain Picard on his death bed? Would you rather it die the way it was or live a mediocre life? Also, broadcasting standards for 'public' shows isn't as relaxed for manga's like Naruto and others.

I have to rewrite the snynopsis's for the show again so it works out for me. As for future shows anything a fanfic now might work. There is notable good writing there alone too?

But in the end there's simply too much division on how the show should progress. I'd say take any traditional idea and/or amazing one and go with it.

The 90's had plenty of traditional and over-the-top moments. Ben said and any good writer should know it's about the 'struggle'. I don't like every Sonic fanfic that gets into too much blood or how to harm someone.

There are naturally going to be weak episodes and ideas anyway. The tough part to admit is you can't please everyone so I use my own judgment to make the most of it.

[SBaby]

The 90's had plenty of traditional and over-the-top moments. Ben said and any good writer should know it's about the 'struggle'. I don't like every Sonic fanfic that gets into too much blood or how to harm someone.

The thing people often forget is that the enemy forces consist primarily of robots. Whether they're roboticized Mobians, or just plain SWAT-Bots (which most of the Robotropolis army is made up of), it all comes down to this. Animals destroying robots. That's about as bad as it ever needs to be.

Sure someone might get roboticized at some point or someone might get injured on occasion, maybe there's a story-driven death at the end or during a climactic moment. But overall, that's all you really need violence-wise. Nothing too over-the-top or gory.

[btstlouis]

I think I have something that hasn't been mentioned. When people talk about a SatAM revival, most people head strait to season three when there are so many unanswered questions about the ten years between the coup and the start of season one. How did the kids survive growing up in the forest? When did Rosie get captured. How did they learn all their skills (sally's knowledge, Rotors mechanical skills, Bunnie's martial arts, etc.) There had to be a critical moment where they all said "lets stop hiding and head into the city." If you didn't do a series about their years as up and coming freedom fighters, it would be a good movie.

If SatAM were revived and continued into a new season (without magic as i've stated before,) I'd personally like to see more of what mobius is like outside of their forest. We know theirs a canyon, jungle, swamp, ocean, fields, and a vast unknown region. Surely there is more to the planet beyond the great unknown. What if they were to encounter a race of badass desert reptiles that robotnik doesn't mess with? What if they were the ones keeping Robotnik busy during the ten years after the coup, pulling resources away from searching the forest? Imagine the tense relationship that could occur between these desert creatures and the mobians ("yeah, you guys were hiding in the forest while we were on the battlefield). This is just a typical fanfic example, but I would appreciate any future attempts to revive SatAM to flesh out the setting a lot more and turn Mobius into a living, breathing place.

That's a very interesting point. I hadn't thought much about that "in between" period. I think anything that would reveal more info about Uncle Chuck would be welcome though.

[SBaby]

That's a very interesting point. I hadn't thought much about that "in between" period. I think anything that would reveal more info about Uncle Chuck would be welcome though.

Not only that, but there has to be at least one entire nation or country that hasn't even been touched upon in SatAM (presumably the one involved in the Great War that was hinted at in a few episodes). Who's to say that it's not still out there? Maybe it'll get involved in Season 3.

[The Man]

At least we're doing something. The older I get the less I need to read up on it. If you're wise and experienced enough you should know what happens to this story.

I'm not going to make a topic on whose best qualified to do this. Season One as you know had several different writers all with decent or good stories. I wouldn't rate any of them below a 6 on a 10 point scale. Unless it's Robecca anything less than 6 is an exageration.

The future, however, is wide open and we'll continue to come up with good stuff.

Edit-I think I pointed out before, this forum, fanfics, two comices one fanmade and Archie, discussion and the like. Do they more than make up for the season 3 show we didn't get? We've created, speculated, and investigated because we didn't get another season.

What exactly do we need to know after Post-Doomsday? Do we have enough people here to use Val's or others recommendations? BTW, I would consider the doomsday project a close situation where they could have lost.

Anyone else want to get started on a comprehensive project or do you nominate me?

[silversurfer2]

Personally, I think that too much dark is better than too much good but a good mix of the two of them is what makes a show great.

The most important story is one that hasn't been released yet however and that is none other than Ben Hurst.

[BigWigRah]

I've actually been thinking about this a lot more over the past few nights, and have a bit more to say. Some of it relates to what I've already said about filling in the 10 year gap, while other parts are related to Sonic Underground (bare with me please, it does make for an interesting scenario).

First, the SU thing. As much as I loathed the show, I liked the fact that Robotnik kept a portion of the Mobian population alive, although for dubious reasons. In SU, they were kept alive to either provide monetary support, or to act as spies for him which doesn't really make a lot of sense. Why would Robotnik need money when he is attempting to build a society of Robots, and why would he need spies when he has machines?

If he were to keep a small group of Mobians alive, it would either be because they genuinely support his plans and rule of government, or because they support him out of fear of robotisization. I'm not at all sure what reasons he would have for keeping a Mobian population around, but I'm sure a better writer than myself could think of one. I like the idea of having a few Mobians on the side of the enemy.

Now, on to the topic of elaborating the ten years between the coup, and season one. I've realized that doing a prequel to SatAM where all the characters are about 7 or 8 might be a bad idea, unless of course it was made into a film. It would be difficult to write an interesting show about a group of people just hiding in the woods not doing much. I've actually thought of another way to explain the past without making a prequel season, or traveling to the past with time stones. Furthermore, my solution would aid in deeper character development.

A few nights ago, I was laying awake in bed unable to sleep, listening to Renaissance music, trying to get some ideas together about how to integrate more information about the character's past lives, while still talking about the present. (for some reason, when I picture Mobotropolis, I picture a Renaissance village in West Europe, but I digress).

There was a lot of character details that were touched on in SatAM, but never fully fleshed out. The most obvious being the families of the FFs. What were Rotor's and Tail's families doing before the coup? Why does Antoine seem to have this idea of being a Royal Guard? Were Antoine's parents somehow involved in the royal family, perhaps as protectors of the throne? Is Antoine related to Sally in some way? How deep does the friendship of Bunnie and Sally really go? What about Julian? Was Robotnik at any point ever truly loyal to the King, or did he turn later as he gained power? Even Snively could be touched on more. We could start other threads devoted to these details, but I'd like to focus on how these could be portrayed.

Perhaps during the planning of a season, it would be necessary to create a few "filler" episodes. I usually hate this term, as it's insulting that writers would make something to take up time within the main story that would not be relevant. these "Filler" episodes could be focused on one individual character, showing a look at their life on a mundane day in Knothole. At specific points in the episode, a flashback sequence could be cleverly inserted, showing a character interacting with their family/other characters in Knothole. Perhaps more details could be shown about the coup, the background of Mobotropolis, and their life afterwords.

I know flashbacks have been done before, and I don't mean to make them sound outdated. There is no reason they can't serve a useful purpose. From my limited understanding of "Lost," I know that flashbacks are used to show some kind of important event of a character's life prior to their isolation on the island. Although i've only seen three of four episodes of the first season, this is kind of what I'm going for in a broad sense. The depiction of Mobotropolis should be one of brightness, color, and a deep rooted innocence that would contrast the bleak and difficult lifestyle of fighting for one's lost freedom in the dark corners of Robotropolis. Who wouldn't want to see an image of a FF with his/her family that would melt our hearts, and them be jarred back into reality on the dark streets of their former home, where there family's location is still unknown? The flashbacks would be meant to show us a crucial aspect of a character's upbringing, to give us a greater insight on their personality as they matured over time.

that's all for now. I better not see any TL;DR

[SBaby]

Perhaps during the planning of a season, it would be necessary to create a few "filler" episodes. I usually hate this term, as it's insulting that writers would make something to take up time within the main story that would not be relevant. these "Filler" episodes could be focused on one individual character, showing a look at their life on a mundane day in Knothole. At specific points in the episode, a flashback sequence could be cleverly inserted, showing a character interacting with their family/other characters in Knothole. Perhaps more details could be shown about the coup, the background of Mobotropolis, and their life afterwords.

I know flashbacks have been done before, and I don't mean to make them sound outdated. There is no reason they can't serve a useful purpose. From my limited understanding of "Lost," I know that flashbacks are used to show some kind of important event of a character's life prior to their isolation on the island. Although i've only seen three of four episodes of the first season, this is kind of what I'm going for in a broad sense. The depiction of Mobotropolis should be one of brightness, color, and a deep rooted innocence that would contrast the bleak and difficult lifestyle of fighting for one's lost freedom in the dark corners of Robotropolis. Who wouldn't want to see an image of a FF with his/her family that would melt our hearts, and them be jarred back into reality on the dark streets of their former home, where there family's location is still unknown? The flashbacks would be meant to show us a crucial aspect of a character's upbringing, to give us a greater insight on their personality as they matured over time.

that's all for now. I better not see any TL;DR

I agree that it would work for character development. If you devote an episode to developing a character, it really can't be called a filler if the character gets something out of it. Otherwise, most of the first season of SatAM would be considered filler material.

Just whatever you do, don't use 'Lost' as a basis for how flashbacks should be done, because they do them in the worst possible way.

[BigWigRah]

why? of the few episodes i've seen, they seemed ok to me. What's the problem?

[SBaby]

why? of the few episodes i've seen, they seemed ok to me. What's the problem?

Trust me, Lost might look like a good basis in some episodes. But there are episodes where it's difficult to even tell that a flashback is taking place, because there is virtually no warning before it. Then it gets worse when you start seeing flashbacks within flashbacks (that's about when I wrote the series off). It's even worse when they have no relevance to the main plot (like when the show tries to play mind games with the audience, or they write it off as a dream/cop out; it's happened on Lost).

Flashbacks as a whole aren't bad. It's just how you use them that makes all the difference. I actually had almost an entire episode in a Fic that was a flashback of something that just happened. There's a scene in the beginning, and then it goes to 24 hours ago with the episode playing out (thus showing you how they got to that point). That kind of thing can also work.

[Vlad Yvhv]

Indeed. If properly done, an entire story (or in this case, an episode) can be a flashback. But to justify it, the flashbacks have to have relevance.