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[SBaby]

If SatAM were revived and continued into a new season (without magic as i've stated before,) I'd personally like to see more of what mobius is like outside of their forest. We know theirs a canyon, jungle, swamp, ocean, fields, and a vast unknown region. Surely there is more to the planet beyond the great unknown. What if they were to encounter a race of badass desert reptiles that robotnik doesn't mess with? What if they were the ones keeping Robotnik busy during the ten years after the coup, pulling resources away from searching the forest? Imagine the tense relationship that could occur between these desert creatures and the mobians ("yeah, you guys were hiding in the forest while we were on the battlefield). This is just a typical fanfic example, but I would appreciate any future attempts to revive SatAM to flesh out the setting a lot more and turn Mobius into a living, breathing place.

Funny you should mention that... There probably is alot to Mobius beyond what we've seen. I was going to use a really freaking tall mountain (called Infinity Mountain) for one of the plot points in my Fic. In fact, there is a fairly good sized set of 'episodes' that center around finding the Chaos Emeralds (in which many places we've never seen are going to be visited). Yes, the Emeralds are going to be in it, although the role they play will be somewhat different from what most Sonic fans are used to. There'll still be Chaos Control and probably... other things, but just remember that there are SEVEN of them. What significance could that number have? And yes, it's extremely important. In fact, the number 'seven' is a central, recurring theme of the Fic.

I was also thinking about having another time travel segment, but this one will be a little different from the 2-part Blast to the Past episode. But it is essential to the plot, nonetheless.

Knuckles is a bit different in my Fic too. Instead of being the guardian of the Emeralds, he's the tough-as-nails leader of another Freedom Fighter outlet, one that was fighting Robotnik even longer than the Knothole FFs were.

Keep in mind, this is all just a fanfic and has no relevence to the overall SatAM universe. Also, I have no idea when I'll start posting 'episodes' again, because I want to make darn sure I've got the main plot squared away before starting to post it again (some of you at SMS have seen the first two 'episodes' that I posted way back when, but I want to do alot more work on it before updating again).

[The Man]

Are you going to send some black operation ninja's to me who don't do anything but serve as a clever plot device?

We don't need a hardcore desert battle. Simply throw a stun grenade down a random air shaft. It'll manage to get to the main chamber and knock-out Robotnik, trust me.

Seriously we never needed the chaos Emeralds. It's cool Sonic can become yellow and/or white but the fanfics involving people and new characters are the best you can get with writing.

I'm recapping a hardcore discussion made a long time back when I only dived in a month at a time with my last statement. Most shows do a good job of striking the right balance between props and people. Lets keep it going with people coming first.(I really hate stating the obvious, is it time to go yet?)

[Vlad Yvhv]

If I was to begin satAM again I would stay true to the story, and to it's characters, and continue from where it left off. I see no reason to start vamping up the maturity of it and begin offing main characters, turning it into something it never was. You can evolve the characters, certainly, but once you start giving them super powers or turning Sonic into Jack Bauer, you've kinda missed the whole point of continuing the show

Rebooting the satAM idea, however, is a different thing altogether. That's where I would really love to dig in and do what the Battlestar Galactica reboot creators did and make the show matter to a new generation of people that have never seen it before. Start off with exactly the kind of tone you need for it; play with themes you could never do with the original concept; say something new about the characters and their war with Robotnik.

Indeed. If you start messing with the good parts of the show, then you risk making the new version something like that horrible Dukes of Hazzard movie... As the old saying goes: "If it's not broke, don't fix it". Only fix the stuff that doesn't really work well. Like toning down Ant and Dulcy's annoyance factors, maybe giving some of the unnamed chars names, and giving us some more background on everyone.

The backstories could be worked in following Doomsday, as the Wolf Pack and other groups probly didn't have time to sit around and chat with the Knothole freedom fighters when they were planning their assault. Perhaps have Snively tying up some loose ends in Robotropolis before he can properly take control of the city, so that our heroes think they've really won and would have a bit of time to recuperate before going to free their roboticized comrades...


A new version of the series would provide a lot more freedom for changing stuff. However, there are still some things that worked for the origional that would need to be worked in to keep the new version from suffering from adaptation decay.

[Lord Exor]

Hmm, the only things I can think of are a couple of Freedom Fighters KIA and Robotnik winning from time to time. I'd like to see how the FF would deal with the very real possibility of a crippling defeat at the hands of Robotnik's forces.

I would rather see Robotnik win most of the time, and save a true victory for a rather momentous occasion.

Make the Freedom Fighters suffer. Oh, and have Robotnik's underlings do all of his work for him. He should never, ever, have to leave his chair.

[BlazeyBakeneko]

I'm not quite sure what I'd like to see in a new show, but I'd probably have the following two elements implemented:

- Sally still being around, but with her role downplayed somewhat

-Other "lesser"(I.E not Sonic or Sal) Freedom Fighters getting more focus/usefulness, mainly Tails and Rotor.

[SBaby]

Seriously we never needed the chaos Emeralds. It's cool Sonic can become yellow and/or white but the fanfics involving people and new characters are the best you can get with writing.

First of all, if there was a Super Sonic, I don't know if 'gold' would be the color I'd choose to make him. Second of all, I don't like using the term 'super' or 'turbo' or 'digivolve' in that kind of context. It was stupid in Dragonball, and it's stupid in the Sonic universe(s). I mean, look at him in the series... He looks ugly. He looks like a hedgehog Buddha doll gone wrong.

The Chaos Emeralds would be used for something in my Fic, but Super Sonic is the last thing I want with what I've got planned. They're called Chaos Emeralds for a REASON, folks. Chaos is usually NOT something I would relate to being good. Why would I use that as a plot device to take out a bad guy? That's just... no fun.

Chaos is the opposite of Order. Order is predictable. You know what's gonna happen, to some degree. But with Chaos, it could be anything. No, really. Just about ANYTHING. We're not in Sega Sonic. This is SatAM. We can do ANYTHING with them. Why stop with Super Saiyan Sonic, when we could have it be related to the seven deadly sins, or the seven seals, or the seven moons (there's a phrase you don't hear too often...). It can be ANYTHING...

Tails should definitely have his time to shine though. I agree with that (and he will, at great length).

[John Roberts]

They're called Chaos Emeralds for a REASON, folks. Chaos is usually NOT something I would relate to being good. Why would I use that as a plot device to take out a bad guy? That's just... no fun.

Yes! Thank you. I've grown bloody tired with the way the Chaos Emeralds are always used as an 'awesome' plot device to make Sonic uber cool and super, and all that other useless shit. It's about time those damn Emeralds were corrupted into something much more interesting. Something MORE interesting than Robotnik simply adding one to an evil super machine.

[Morgan]

Hmm... that does give me an idea of Chaos Emeralds actually being bad. Could have had an interesting spin on things.

[Vlad Yvhv]

Indeed... Chaos Emeralds should be aptly named, not just artifacts with a cleaver name. Any power they have should be uncontrollable and potentially dangerous. Using them should be a crap-shoot. If you're lucky, you get something like Super Sonic for a minute or 2, or at the very least, they don't cause you to spontaneously combust. But most of the time, they'd do bad things to those who try to use them.

[Morgan]

I vote they give Super Sonic status for a short while then when rocket propelling across water, oopsie! Instant death followed by big mouthed gurglings. (Seemed it happened to me often when fighting Perfect Chaos)

[The Man]

There's another way to think of it that's quite obvious. Can you tolerate the diversity like a new group of FF's joining and/or a powerful wizard.

Overall it beats Sonic doing the same thing over and over again although he does the same thing over and over again with other characters.

Hate to state the obvious again but with his friends around it gives Sonic 'more' of a reason to save the day. More than himself and the whole planet. Choosing who to save is an argument only a fanfic can resolve.

[SBaby]

There's another way to think of it that's quite obvious. Can you tolerate the diversity like a new group of FF's joining and/or a powerful wizard.

Well, the short answer is yes. Even Ben Hurst himself had plans to incorporate alot of that into the third season. I've done things like that in numerous Fics of mine.

[wildfire]

It seems to me that this topic has degenerated into a "This is my Fanfic" topic. But here goes...

I for one would like to see the return of Lazzar. He seems to me to be a very underrated character and it would be worth it to me to see more of him. I had something in the works featuring Lazzar in a something capacity. In the story I was planning, the Technomage would return (I like that term) and inform Sonic and the Freedom Fighters of the existence of a power greater than the Deep Power Stones, the Chaos Emeralds. In this iteration, the Chaos Emeralds are such named because they were created by the god Chaos. The story would explore the depths of Mobian religion. This is what I came up with...

The planet Mobius was spun from the aether by the Four. The Gods Chaos & Chance, and their sisters Order & Destiny. As ancient war broke out amongst the peoples of Mobius, and the Gods deemed it necessary to intervene. In order to perserve the balance of power amongst the people, Destiny asked her brother Chaos to forge a gift. The Four poured their essences into seven jewels. One named for each of them, the others named after the Degrees of Awareness the Four had passed down upon the creation of all the peoples of Mobius...

[Excrept from the holy books of Mobius Found in the Grand Echidna Library]

In the story itself there is mention of an avatar that once saved the planet from certain destruction. This avatar would wind up being Tails' ancestor (thus completing Mr. Hurst's plan for Tails' acendance). The Echidna, residing on Angel Island are the last bastion of this now ancient religion (you'll remember the Degrees of Awareness from Sonic & the Secret Scrolls). Knuckles, the son of the Echidna leader sends the visiting freedom fighters at the behest of Lazzar to find the Chaos Emeralds and put a stop to Nagus (I won't refer to him as Ixis because that name was never used in the show). The Freedom Fighters agree to allow Sonic to look for the emeralds while they continue the fight against Nagus as a distraction. There are some twists and turns of course that I don't want to reveal just in case I ever get to writing this thing. But suffice it to say that some interesting things will be happening. Alliances will be made and broken, new friendships will be forged and old ones dissolved. Secrets will be revealed, the truth is out there, and all of that jazz.

Anyway, I for one think that if a revival were even considered, it would have to be a complete reboot. There's simply been too much time by now for a continuation. A lot of the voice actors that once did the show are on other projects that probably pay better, the animation crew is probably out, etc etc... But a redesign would be right on par with what I think Sonic in general could use. Basically a whole new show with SatAM as a basic template (NOT SONIC UNDERGROUND!!!) would be what was in order. Meanwhile, there's always fanfiction.

[Vlad Yvhv]

Eh... I think that bringing religion into SatAM would be a bad move. Especially polytheistic religion. Shows that rely too heavily on so-called "gods" often wind up leaving us wondering why they're even called "gods", because they're so lame. And shows that rely on religion, itself, tend to get preachy and alienate fans and potential fans.

I do like the idea of Lazzar returning, though. Probly in response to the threat posed by Nagus. Balancing out the power, y'know?

As I stated before: I think that if the Chaos Emeralds were to be included, their power should be chaotic and potentially very dangerous to those trying to use them. This way, they don't become a crutch, or an "end game" item, like the deep power stones were.

[Valerie Valens]

Ooh, I have an idea.

Sonic uses the chaos Emerald, it may give him some power, but it also backfires, turning him, possibly permanently, into a chick. Imagine the awkwardness.

[Gojira007]

Sonic 1/2? Could be amusing...:3

[fishtheimpaler]

As I stated before: I think that if the Chaos Emeralds were to be included, their power should be chaotic and potentially very dangerous to those trying to use them. This way, they don't become a crutch, or an "end game" item, like the deep power stones were.

CHAOS EMERALD

[Vlad Yvhv]

CHAOS EMERALD

As my signature says, I can't watch videos online. You'll have to explain what you were getting at.

[fishtheimpaler]

Ah, fine print.

The conclusion of this movie, Kiss Me Deadly

features an evil minx of a spy getting horribly killed by the box of (ill-understood in the 1950s) radioactive material that she has been pursuing.

Really, you ought to see it if you get a chance. THAT COULD BE ROUGE, RIGHT THERE.