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[furrykef]

This must be Shadow's favorite billboard.

[Uncle Ben]

[Shadow]

[Uncle Ben]

[furrykef]

*crickets chirp*

[Uncle Ben]

[furrykef]

That may be, but the GOP seems to give even less of a fuck, especially right now.

[Uncle Ben]

i dunno, the Dems have had a "Our way or the highway" mindset over the past few months.

 

Honestly, i support the defundment of Obamacare. Not because i dont think everyone should have access to health insurance (everyone should be covered) BUT there are some really shifty things that are in the bill, such as its adding another tax thats "not considered a tax", the Gov't have access to your bank account if under their system, Congess/Senate/President are exempt forever among others. What the U.S. needs is a system like Massachusetts has:

[Shadow]

You Americans need to be more like Canada.

[Uncle Ben]

You Americans need to be more like Canada.

 

Agreed

[furrykef]

If there's a problem with the bill then the correct procedure is to make a new amendment to the bill, not use the threat of a government shutdown as a power play.

[Uncle Ben]

If there's a problem with the bill then the correct procedure is to make a new amendment to the bill, not use the threat of a government shutdown as a power play.

 

That i agree with. But their heads are so far up their asses (both sides) its not gonna work.

 

Back home people are trying to oust our representative in Congress, they want her replaced by someone new

[furrykef]

The Dems don't have their heads up their asses -- not on this particular issue, at least. The GOP is being obstructionist. They are the ones causing this whole shutdown. They are the ones running this country into the ground for their own personal gain.

That the Dems refuse to cave in to the GOP's hissy fit doesn't make them equally responsible.

[RedAuthar]

[Misk]

Both sides are equally responsible for the shutdown because instead of addressing their opponent's claims they spent the entire time yelling at each other and demonizing the opposing side.

 

 

The shutdown was not just caused by one side. Neither side was willing to budge period.

 

If either were open to a compromise, this would not have happened.

 

 

Spoiler

Seriously, I'm getting sick of all this "It's the Republicans' fault!" "No, it's the Democrats' fault!" bullshit. Our country would not be so fucked up if everyone stopped pretending party lines are the absolute authority.

 

Basically every single Pro-Democrat or Pro-Republican argument can be summed up as "Well, we wouldn't be in this situation if the Republicans/Democrats just did what we said." And that goes for every issue, not just this shutdown nonsense.

 

This crap has got to stop.

[furrykef]

The Dems are not open to compromise because no compromise should be necessary. The Republicans already fought this battle once and they lost it fair and square. Now they're resorting to dirty tactics to try to get their way anyway. If it weren't for the Republicans, there would be no shutdown because there would be no obstruction. They are the ones who started it by only presenting the Senate with budgets that delayed or blocked Obamacare. They are trying to bully the Senate into getting their way even though in no way do they deserve to. You don't compromise in the face of such behavior.

Just because there are two sides does not mean that the ideal is somewhere in the middle (this is the "golden mean fallacy") or that both are equally responsible. Imagine for the sake of example we had this scenario:
PARTY 1: Let's kill every firstborn child in the country.
PARTY 2: Let's not.
PARTY 1: Well if we can't agree I guess the government's going to have to shut down then!
PARTY 2: Guess so.

Obviously you can't put any blame on Party 2 here, nor is there any compromise to be found. What would the compromise be? Kill only half the children?

Now, I'm not saying the GOP wants to kill babies (besides, that's more of a Democrat thing ); I'm just saying it's fully possible for only one side to be in the wrong here.

[Uncle Ben]

I have to plans to solve this:

 

1. Completely abolish the 2 party system

2 Restart the Trinity Tests and take all Senators/Reps as test subjects

 

The NSA probably doesnt approve of the 2nd one

[GamemasterAnthony]

I think by this point the US would probably be better off if all the seats in Congress had recall elections to replaces the douches we currently have...and to make sure the only candidates eligable for election are those that will allow for compromise.

[Shadow]

Time for some motherfuckin' DOKKEN!

[furrykef]

and to make sure the only candidates eligable for election are those that will allow for compromise.

I refer you to my previous comments on compromise.