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[MaRaMa-TSG]

(Dunno if this goes better on Controvertial Issues but it's really a rant more than anything)

Those of you idiots who have dedicated yourselves to write "Pedo" and "Freak" in the many posts about him, they make me sick. And also those like I was who only knew the rumors from the tabloids and what people said instead. Who never did any harm but don't know the truth either. You too are ignorant, myself included. Anyone who doesn't know the facts is ignorant.

Do yourselves a favor as I did and do some research about his life.

No he did not bleach his skin, he had 2 conditions, the treatments helped the conditino but made the skin worst. I was one of those who thought that was true.
I even thought the fake nose thing was real too thought I doubted it.
I did not believe from the beginning that he had done anything to children. It didn't seem right, the whole process stunk to me from the beginning and I can't even call myself a fan. Now the "kid" accepts he had lied about it.

I merely liked his music when I heard it on radio and the few times I caught him on TV I enjoyed his dancing but I never dedicated any part of my life to him like many great fans of him did. So I will not call myself a fan, I just respected and admired his talent as an artist.
I learned he had a nasty childhood and even life as an artist despite his popularity and fame.
He was still very much human like you and I and thus he was not perfect just like you and I.

I HATE when people who believed the rumors use them when someone speaks nicely of him. "Oh, but he did this and that!" Well, YOU are no saints either! NEVER poke at someone's scratch when you have a huge gaping hole in your own soul. People have NO right to judge him or anyone, even less now. He's gone, for God's sake. Give him some respect, him and his family and his supporters. And yes, just like with every other fandom, some supporters are complete retards. It has nothing to do with the object of fandom itself. It's because we people can be THAT stupid.

Now, for some others, I've read and heard that many people have committed suicide. What the hell is going on?! I understand there are people who loved him like no one they've ever loved before. I know it must have hurt a lot. I suffered the loss of Steve Irwin a lot while I know most people wouldn't understand why. He was my hero as MJ's the hero of so many more.
But this is for those of you left who had the thought cross your minds. SUICIDE or hurting yourself and others does NOT help and he wouldn't want you doing that because of him! Do you think he'd be happy his fans are doing such things? He'd be horribly ashamed and disappointed.

Stay alive and SHOW him your love! Do your tributes, listen to his music, watch his videos, SPREAD the word on how much you love him. Spread the TRUTH about him! Teach the rest of the ignorant world about him.
The media decided only NOW to tell his real story. To show how wrong the rumors were. NOW, NOW that he's gone!

I am no fan and yet it pisses me up to find out all this. That one of the reason's he's probably gone is because of all the crap greedy people did to him. those seeking his money because he's a celebrity, spreading the rumors because it brought ratings and the idiots who loved to bash and flame because they love making fun of others to feel superior.

Do yourselves, him and us a favor and FIND THE TRUTH! LEARN! It's good for you!
Wikipedia and Google are your friends. If you don't trust one site search many.
Don't ask me what's true or not or tell me what's what. I've been doing my own research and will continue to do so. The good and the bad. I'm also ashamed of myself that I had to wait until now to do this but at least I'll try to make others follow too. Again, I cannot and will not call myself a fan. I don't deserve the title. I'm merely an admirer.

And if you simply don't give a damn about him. Then don't go blabbering ignorantly about him either. You're making yourself look bad.

Rant off. Move along now.

[Dakota Bob]

+1 Internets for you, I agree with your entire wall of text

[chief]

Thats right everyone. Belive EVERYTHING you find on Wiki! Haha yeah.


Anyways... For the most part I dont care... But,.. Yeah I think he was a weirdo. A freak, a..whatever. But I'll fully admit he had tallent at what he did. But haha.. He was still a weirdo.

[MaRaMa-TSG]

That's why I said you should search more than one website if you won't trust one. It's easy to notice when Wiki's been edited. It's usually to cause harm. But I've read several articles from news site, not just that one and a lot do have the very same things that mention medical stuff and everything.

Also. Freak? The world is full of freaks! This very forum is full of them. Freaks are simply people who others think don't follow what society dictates as the "norm".
Well, I'll tell you I'm one of those called a freak. Since little. And if being a "freak" means living a life different from the usual monotonous rules then so be it, I wear the title proudly (Robotnik Freak) and I didn't use it just for kicks. i use the title people I weird people out from my obsession with a fictional character among other things about myself.

MJ indeed wasn't like "normal" guys, he had a bunch of issues, he was broken in many ways. Life made him that way as it does to most. Still doesn't mean he shouldn't be understood and respected. Just like every other person. Of course as a celebrity people expect higher standards and forget they're humans too and as imperfect as everyone else.

Sorry, I get touchy when someone says "Weird" or "Freak" or any other term that means not-normal.. Even if they do deserve the title.
Some of us freaks are happy to be them. Normal is overrated!

[An7imatt3r]

I did more research on him and I have come to the conclusion that he is the way he was because of his father/childhood. When you have a childhood like his its hard not to be a little messed up in the head(yes he was for better or for worse). I am not saying I don't like him, but he was a little crazy. He would be a physiologists dream patient. He was a 50 year old child. To some extent he thought he was Peter Pan, hence the Neverland Ranch. He spent multiple millions of dollars on that place, all so he could live in a dream world. Watch the interview MSNBC did with a few years ago and you will see what I mean. He is clearly just stuck being a child because of his abusive father.

[salamander]

I don't think anyone will know the absolute truth about him, everything that's been said has been warped through the celebrity lens. At the time I was quite icked out by the kidtouching allegations, but both sides are so unreliable that it's forever unclear what really happened. The whole point is moot anyway, he's gone, nothing that can be said will change anything. What's best is how we remember him- what impact he had on our lives, if any, and that's all through his role as an entertainer. I never knew him personally, what point is there for me to dwell on his personal life?
Insulting a dead man is just pointless. Memorials are for the living, not the dead: the point is to come to terms with a person's passing and take away the memories and lessons that become a part of your own life.

One of the better MJ articles out there

[Vlad Yvhv]

Respect has to be earned. Just because someone dies, that doesn't entitle them to undue respect. I didn't like the man or his music. I think it'd actually be more disrespectful to pretend that I did...

But what's really effed-up is that his death has caused such a stir that it's drowned out the deaths of people who've earned far more respect then he has...

[chief]

I know a lot of people are freaks.. He was just one of the many. However.... he is one of the messed up ones who dangled his kid over a balcony.

[Cheezmatt]

He did? Holy shit! That beats real abuse any day of the week.

Oh well, good show Mara. Nobody I know IRL has any respect for the man.

[randomizer]

I never followed him, and I really don't care what the media said about him. The allegations against him for paedophilia or whatever it was were dropped, and as far as I'm concerned if he hasn't been proven guilty then there's no reason why I should consider him guilty. I don't have much faith in the legal system, and perhaps they were paid off, but I don't know and in the end it really doesn't matter to me. He wasn't charged, so I leave it at that.

I still don't understand the hanging the kid over the balcony thing, I can't see what would have made him do that. It doesn't matter if you have an iron grip, it's just something you don't do.

The thing that has annoyed me most is the excessive media coverage. I think I heard his daughter say she loves him at least 30 times, and that other woman say he's perched on a crescent moon (???) 10 times. The two most competitive free-to-air channels did practically non-stop coverage for 2 days straight. There are other things happening in the world! Other people have died! At least there are a few other channels... although I can't say there's ever much on TV worth watching any more, except maybe House.

Reminds me of 9/11 in a way, except in that case it was every channel for an entire week covering the exact same story with the exact same footage.

[MaRaMa-TSG]

I agree on the media coverage thing. I actually didn't watch tv the day of the funeral nor before and after. I followed at my own pace online. I knew they'd be doing nothing but make people more depressed about it and I am the emotional kind.
It's true that he diminishes every other death. That woman from the original Charlie's Angels that I only found out because my friend was a huge fan of her and told me about it and some other dude I don't know.
But remember, MJ was HUGE at a time and those followers are still around even if he's not so huge anymore, so there's definitively a lot more people interested in him. "King of Pop" and all that. (even my Charlie's Angels friend wanted me to get him his Greatest Hits)
And the first 'kid' who accused him of abuse accepted he was lying because his father wanted the money they got paid about $15-$20 million. That was one of things that got me upset. Wait until the guy dies to say that. One of the reasons he got even more messed up was that case. Hope they're enjoying their millions now still.

The media will always abuse such things, make special documentaries and stuff now. Just like 911, repeating the damn scene of the damn towers collapsing over and over because the public loves being masochistic! I remember a friend's mother who kept watching tv and wailing every time they fell, yet she would keep watching and we had to unplug the tv. Media loves abusing tragic stuff like that.

Now the baby thing was stupid, and it probably was one of those stupid moments we all get and later think "WTF was I doing?!" whether he did regret or not who knows. The mistake was....the media caught it and will never let it rest.

The idol I suffered did something similar too and got equally bashed for it. Steve Irwin fed a crocodile with his baby daughter under one arm. He was trying to show that he trusted himself to keep her safe. He even had his wife feed a croc while she was pregnant, while he kept near it all the time ready to pounce it if it got too close. He knew what he was doing even if it was something stupid and even if he probably regrets having done so all the while after. Specially from the media bashing.

It's ok if you don't care much about the guy. Just please, don't go talking about the rumors as facts. What bothers me is when people say, as a reaction to someone being hurt from his death, "But wasn't he a pedophile? But didn't he do this and that?" because it sounds as if that meant he should have died or if it was a good thing. Just be considerate with those who did love him even if blindly. It's a horrible feeling to bash on someone's idol when he's freshly gone and people are still emotional. All of you here have been respectful about it so far and that's good. Doubt those who could use the advice would even read it.

I got tired about stingray jokes every quickly. DX
I expect MJ costumes for Halloween with something on their heart just like there were Steve costumes with a stingray dangling from it. >_<

[randomizer]

Ah yes, I will not forget the footage of Steve and the baby. It must be a celebrity thing to hold your babies in risky situations

[Ratty Randnums]

I don't mean to be combative, but come on people. This is just the sanitization of his image now that he's dead. Because we'd all rather remember him and the way his music made us feel at his height. But if he did do some things with children, that wouldn't make it right. And if people want to point out this fact, they should be free to do so. All I see are rednecks and others who would have made jokes about him (some who I KNOW made jokes about him) praising him as a persecuted saint these days. "Oh he was always my favorite singer, right up there with Hank Jr." yeah, right. Whatever he said about skin conditions, I always figured it was a result of his head catching on fire in that pepsi commercial, the scarring and subsequent treatments. Look the thing is, if this were another person who had been accused multiple times of being a sexual preditor, turned his house into an amusement park to bring kids to. Admitted that he was emotionally and physically abused by his father as a child. And then tried to sleeping in the bed with kids. Yeah, I don't think people would be saying "Oh no you can't say that!" I d can't say that he did it because I don't know, but regardless of his musical talent, people who want to point out that he may have should have the right to do so.

[randomizer]

People always become saints after death. It rarely matters how bad they were when they were alive.

[Cheezmatt]

people who want to point out that he may have should have the right to do so.

Of course, mate. Just as it's within other peoples' right to criticize that opinion. Especially when accusing somebody of being a goddamn pedophile. Especially if the person in question was aquitted. Especially if the person has made enormous contributions to charity and humanitarian work, and personally saved the life of at least one dying kid. The stigmatization of that work is probably the worst part of all the slander. In fact, none of his humanitarian stuff has even been mentioned here. Guess it can be ignored since it was clearly part of his big evil pedo trap eh?

It's looking increasingly obvious that those who diss Jackson don't know or care to know anything about the man, besides the sensationalist bile of the media circus. Whether it's youtube comments or bulletin boards or RL encounters, it all has the same ring to it; they don't know shit about him but fling mud all the same.

[MaRaMa-TSG]

people who want to point out that he may have should have the right to do so.

Of course, mate. Just as it's within other peoples' right to criticize that opinion. Especially when accusing somebody of being a goddamn pedophile. Especially if the person in question was aquitted. Especially if the person has made enormous contributions to charity and humanitarian work, and personally saved the life of at least one dying kid. The stigmatization of that work is probably the worst part of all the slander. In fact, none of his humanitarian stuff has even been mentioned here. Guess it can be ignored since it was clearly part of his big evil pedo trap eh?

It's looking increasingly obvious that those who diss Jackson don't know or care to know anything about the man, besides the sensationalist bile of the media circus. Whether it's youtube comments or bulletin boards or RL encounters, it all has the same ring to it; they don't know shit about him but fling mud all the same.

That's exactly what I meant! Not to ignore whatever negative things he did or pretend he was a saint, but to not just focus on them and them alone and dedicate themselves to just point those bad things out every time someone says something nice about him.
It's as if no matter how much good you've done people keep reminding you of the mistakes you have done before that and notice the newer ones right away yet the accomplishments go unnoticed just because gossip and a mishaps are better to believe because people just love making others feel miserable.

[randomizer]

It's as if no matter how much good you've done people keep reminding you of the mistakes you have done before that and notice the newer ones right away yet the accomplishments go unnoticed just because gossip and a mishaps are better to believe because people just love making others feel miserable.

That's usually the case with celebrities, until they die. I reckon Tom Cruise will be immortalised when he dies, despite the fact that while alive he's far more wacko than Jacko.

[Vlad Yvhv]

That's usually the case with celebrities, until they die. I reckon Tom Cruise will be immortalised when he dies, despite the fact that while alive he's far more wacko than Jacko.

Unless he and that crazy cult of his all commit suicide...

[randomizer]

Unless he and that crazy cult of his all commit suicide...

The aliens will save them.

[Dakota Bob]

Unless he and that crazy cult of his all commit suicide...

The aliens will save them.

But only if they pay for the 50,000$ Operating Thetan course