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Sonic The Hedgehog#200 Review/Commentary-by SatAMhog(yo!^^)

Started by SatAMHOG, May 14 2009 09:59 AM

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#21 Guest_Viuely_*

GUESTS

Posted 25 May 2009 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE ("Adamis")

Yes, because a KIDS COMIC BOOK is as SERIOUS BUSINESS as a country's politics

1) Ooooh yes it's a kids comic. Sure, it only is when the book sucks ass, but when it becomes tolerable it's paraded for something every Sonic fan can enjoy. Seriously homie, if this were a book for kids, you wouldn't be expected to know about a bunch of characters that are from out of print books older than them---and filled with political jargon.

2) I wasn't arguing whether it was or wasn't a kid's comic. I was arguing the principal of why people stay with something even though they don't like the leader.

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It's the same thing if you pay or read the scans: you still read it. It's like those people who "don't like reality-shows because it's stupid but watch them anyway".

Even so, that doesn't mean it's suddenly awesome. Some people just want to keep informed with the book. Some people may just think there are places it can improve. I'm not saying the whole "Eggman's eyes" arguement's great or not great. I'm saying the principle of not reading if you don't like it isn't all that sound. And for what it's worth, this comic was dying before the recession. So it's not like it doesn't need any criticism to make it sell better.

#22 Guest_Adamis_*

GUESTS

Posted 25 May 2009 - 02:28 PM

Sell better? It's Archie's "1 seller.

And I don't agre: the comic is WAY better since Ian came. He has some flaws but at leat he got rid of the mess instaured before.

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I wasn't arguing whether it was or wasn't a kid's comic. I was arguing the principal of why people stay with something even though they don't like the leader.

It's the same thing as I said: you compare a comic book to some politics. This is useless.

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Ooooh yes it's a kids comic. Sure, it only is when the book sucks ass, but when it becomes tolerable it's paraded for something every Sonic fan can enjoy. Seriously homie, if this were a book for kids, you wouldn't be expected to know about a bunch of characters that are from out of print books older than them---and filled with political jargon.

Good or not, Sonic is still aimed at kids first.

#23 Guest_Viuely_*

GUESTS

Posted 25 May 2009 - 02:41 PM

QUOTE ("Adamis")

Sell better? It's Archie's "1 seller.

And I don't agre: the comic is WAY better since Ian came. He has some flaws but at leat he got rid of the mess instaured before.

Wait, what exactly did he solve? What mess did he get rid of?

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It's the same thing as I said: you compare a comic book to some politics. This is useless.

Strawman. I was not comparing the comic book to politics. The only thing I was actually comparing was how people choose to stay with something even though they don't like the person in charge. The actual politics is irrelevant to the point. I think you make it too simplistic and undermine the variety of possible reasons that people have to read the book even thought they don't like it.

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Good or not, Sonic is still aimed at kids first.

I disagree. Only because the book is difficult for kids to get into in the first place, since its full of contrived characters with complex, complicated back stories with plenty of political/military jargon. It's a kid's book in "theory" but not in practice. But even if it were, that's still be pretty lousy since Sonic is supposed to be for all ages. Even Simon Jeffrey went on record to say it.

#24 Guest_Adamis_*

GUESTS

Posted 25 May 2009 - 02:49 PM

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Wait, what exactly did he solve?

Lots of things. I'll quote someone because I agree:

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Cleaning up the messes. Ian, I feel in his attempt to fix some things, and put people into their proper places, helped clean up a lot of messes left before him. He has beautifully made some back-stories for some pre-existing characters, and has put a lot of characters into situations that fit them a lot better. Let's take Mogul for an example. He used to be a bit on the boring and dry side, however he's now fitting in better, and IMO is a lot more enjoyable to read. He has put some characters like Hope and Snively, and put them into places and situations that fit them far more; he has put them back where they belong. He has helped make the villains much more viable of a threat and set up some good villains as well. He changed Scourge and the SS from an utter joke into a threat, he introduced Fini back into the list, and has repurposed the D(E)L so they can actually fit into Sonic's stories MUCH better. As well as cleaning up some things, and dusting off some villains (like Regina and her crew), he has also helped to clean out some of the more useless characters. No, I'm not talking about Locke, but the sea useless of echidnas*, Sir Connery and Tommy are finally gone to name a few. I also like how he has introduced some more game like elements into the book. They make the Chaos Emeralds far more interesting, and I think that they're nice little additions. I also like his characterization of a lot of the characters, they're a lot of fun to read. In general, I enjoy most of Ian's stories, and I look forward to his future stories as well. They're enjoyable and fun to read.

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Strange. I often lend my comics to some children I know and they have no problems with them. And they're belgian like me, their first language is french. (they learn english at school obviously).
Oh yes, one of them had a little problem but she re-read an older issue and poof, problem solved.

Well, now I'm going to bed, it's late here

Don't expect an answer from me soon then

#25 MaRaMa-TSG

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Posted 25 May 2009 - 03:07 PM

I did say I was done with the comic didn't I? I still find it enjoyable before, only now that it messed with something dear to me did it hit a nerve. Plus I said it came from a very biased fan so you're wasting your time telling me wrong. Because I know most of the people reading it will not agree with me.

Also, the 15 years thing. Sonic agreed with it, so it's not Eggman being insane who lost count, it was written to be accepted as fact because the whole thing of making fans accept Eggman as the one and only. And you know, I DO like Eggman! I love every Robotnik incarnation, what I don't like is when they wreck the characters and change them so drastically just to fit in a new and quite random idea.

Maybe they can redeem themselves to MY eyes if they do something else with him eventually. They do love retconning anyway and you just CAN'T get rid of a main character! Iron Queen is a supporting one, there's no way they fit. That's like replacing Sonic with Shadow...oh wait.....never mind
Again, they're repeating what was already done in Sonic #50. Remove main, add in minor secondary villains until you can't milk anythig else from them and then bring in main one again. They're NOT being original and they are not doing anything new! Heck, the next comic has a celebration on the cover and it says "Victory is Sweet". Sonic #51 anyone? I'm seeing a loop here. Recycling is not making things better. Oh and even better. Recycling what -another- Sonic comic already did.

And of course it's best selling! It's Sonic based, it has SEGA characters in it, it has pairings, it has drama. Shadow sell pretty good, even Sonic next Gen did and by the way, I did enjoy those games. How about Werehog? ANYTHING with Sonic in it will sell and exactly because of the children. Because they cannot and will not see and understand this changes. They justb want awesome things happening. Ah, what bliss it was to be as ignorant. Even Julian's death was awesome back then...until I realized what it meant.

Oh, but also notice I am merely nit picking at something in specific. The one thing that bothered me the most, and the one I am biased on. So the rest I could bare...or simply learned to cope with.

Simple explanation. that's Archie Sonic for you.
I might still read it, yes, if only out of curiosity to see what they think of next. To laugh at it instead but I've lost all hopes and will not expect anything else from it anymore. Just blindly enjoy it. But no more money from this fan! Too bad I'm punishing the talents included in it because of one thing though.

You love it. Good! Keep buying it and supporting it. Have fun reading it. There's more of you and I know you're the majority....wonder oh wonder if the lack of "bitching" is the reason the games keep bringing up the drama they do and why those games are said to suck.
I hope the people scathing here are not the same who bash certain games. If you LOVE one thing Sonic, you SHOULD blindly love them all. I don't, so I can still bitch happily.

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Miko wrote:
Marma I wouldn't burn it...well at least I'd wipe my ass with it first.

But it's already so full of it it wouldn't help clean but make an even bigger mess! Plus, I wouldn't want to have the feeling of that thing touching anything else beside my finger tips.
Too bad it left a mark in my fandom heart too. :/

This is so...immature.

Do you know the meaning of sarcasm and dark humor? It's the only thing that will keep the anger at bay sometimes. You should try it!

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#26 MistressAli

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Posted 25 May 2009 - 03:25 PM

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QUOTE ("Adamis")

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"you don't like Bush, so why're you in America?"

Yes, because a KIDS COMIC BOOK is as SERIOUS BUSINESS as a country's politics

And therefore, it shouldn't matter if opinions about a KIDS COMIC BOOK are 'immature', should it.

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#27 Guest_Viuely_*

GUESTS

Posted 25 May 2009 - 03:40 PM

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Bad move. He was already bordering the god mod stu territory. Mammoth Mogul is just there to say "I'm powerful!", "I run a casino!" or "I intiate more oppurtunities for mafight!"

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He used to be a bit on the boring and dry side, however he's now fitting in better, and IMO is a lot more enjoyable to read.

What does he bring out in the characters, their characterization in terms of their relationship to themselves as well as others? There is really nothing that Mogul adds beyond the usual filler manfight cannon fodder. The fact that he a "demi" god mod stu was the only thing that ever stood out about him. Maybe he's good for a reboot.

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He has helped make the villains much more viable of a threat and set up some good villains as well.

Oh god here we go again. Who cares if they're "threatening" if people can't sympathize with what's lost. Oh wait, because there haven't been successful losses on the protagonist's side. Tommy? Everyone got over that in a couple issues. Fiona? Sonic quickly goes back to swooning over Sally. Locke? Everyone was over that in 2 issues. Notice how Knuckles doesn't really think about him anymore.

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and has repurposed the D(E)L so they can actually fit into Sonic's stories MUCH better.

The Dark Legion is a mistake. How do they make it fit, they just make it more confusing. Why are there echidnas in the book when Knuckles is supposed to be the only one. This makes the book hard to get into, especially for newer readers. Its stupid because Ian's targetting game fans, but he doesn't want to think of what would or wouldn't confuse them unless it already fits his fanboy vision. On top of the fact that Eggman is characterized even in he comics to rely on his own inventions to defeat Sonic, and now suddenly he's fighting with the echidnas? That's going to add too much continuity to the book. When time passes and this becomes a contrived concept thats been with the book for awhile people are going to start asking themselves "when the hell did this start happening?"

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As well as cleaning up some things, and dusting off some villains (like Regina and her crew), he has also helped to clean out some of the more useless characters. No, I'm not talking about Locke, but the sea useless of echidnas*,

GREAT! Only to keep the ones that actually weighed the continuity down by showing up as prominent characters. Another loss no one cares about.

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Sir Connery and Tommy are finally gone to name a few.

Ian trying to kill characters no one cared about to be hardcore. Everyone was over Connery next issue, just like Tommy. These characters could've just stayed in the background and not show up again, so there wouldn't be a NEED to worry about getting rid of someone no one remembers. Instead Ian's actually making people need to remember them by bringing them back with the continuity that came with them (as in Connery's case).

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Do you know what happens in the real world? If they don't understand something, they're not going to have someone magically pop out their rear end a older issue. They're just going to put it back to read something like Naruto, or One Peice.

#28 Guest_Miko_*

GUESTS

Posted 25 May 2009 - 05:23 PM

QUOTE ("Adamis")

Sell better? It's Archie's "1 seller.

That's not saying much. Sales have been on a continuous decline since he showed up, and while they sell better it doesn't mean much. Archie's struggling to reach out to newer viewers by changing it's art style, getting Archie to finally get married, sending him to college and out of Riverdale High. MAYBE an increase of sales will occur this year due to Sonic Universe. We'll have to wait and see. Sonic being the best seller doesn't mean crap as they're all struggling to stay above water. Him doing a little better than the rest doesn't mean his sales aren't declining or that you can't get more fans.

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Good or not, Sonic is still aimed at kids first.

Only when this comic sucks do people bother to give that excuse. Even Naruto can be a deeper storyline while still being aimed at kids. Being primarily aimed at children does not give you a license to suck. And for someone who argues Sonic's aimed at kids the main cast primarily consists of characters that only old fans would really appreciate, and is grounded in pairings older fans appreciate. The echidnas come from some backstory now out of print. SonSal is an oldbie thing. SonAmy is the newaged pairing. Concepts like Sonic being an FF, working for some "republic" of Acorn, all fit with concepts of Sonic that are easy to understand for OLDBIES who grew up with SatAM. The government of a king, queen and their children of princes and princesses is easy to understand for kids. A republic is a little more difficult to understand for children, but easier to comprehend for adults. There are a lot of aspects about this comic that don't really stand to have a great deal of appeal to today's kid but do serve for members of the older fanbase.

#29 Guest_Adamis_*

GUESTS

Posted 25 May 2009 - 10:47 PM

Marama: No, this wasn't such "dark humour and sarcasm". This is the poor excuse anyone gives when others point the stupidity of what they said. And yes, I know sarcasm, thanks a lot.

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If you LOVE one thing Sonic, you SHOULD blindly love them all.

LOL. Sorry, I'm not like that. Others maybe, but I don't care.

MistressAli: Ridiculous. Kids comic book doesn't mean it will have automatically immature comments. Also, there's difference between immaturity from the kids (something easily understandable) and immaturity from grown up people !

Viuley: I won't even answer to anything you posted because it's so filled with dishonest.
Only this:

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Oh yes, I know a lot about the real world

I think you don't know kids really well. They can use any ressources to find informations about what they don't understand if they want. And the kids I know do that. School teaches that to them.

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There are a lot of aspects about this comic that don't really stand to have a great deal of appeal to today's kid but do serve for members of the older fanbase.

Dishonest as always, Miko.

#30 Guest_Miko_*

GUESTS

Posted 25 May 2009 - 11:11 PM

I don't really understand what you or Marma are talking about so...

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Viuley: I won't even answer to anything you posted because it's so filled with dishonest.

Asking you for example what Mammoth Mogul does for the characters is not dishonest especially when the basis to question you is already grounded in well supported information. if you don't have an answer, then if anyone's being dishonest it's you. A different perspective = lying? Dear God. When it comes to characters like Tommy and Connery, they did get over him in like an issue or so. Trying to ignore it is simply deluding yourself. It's not lying, its you not wanting to face the fact it happened.

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Oh yes, I know a lot about the real world

I think you don't know kids really well. They can use any ressources to find informations about what they don't understand if they want. And the kids I know do that. School teaches that to them.

Why waste the time? You act like this book is the only thing they have. You're a kid at a book store. You reach the comic section. Hundreds of different books. If they can't grasp it, there are hundreds more stories that can. As for the resources, most of those would be

a. Illegal : and even if the kids could do it, they'd have to know where to go.
b. Too Costly: Being expected to grab past issues to appreciate present factors that influenced by it requires more money then most kids are going to be willing to spend.

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There are a lot of aspects about this comic that don't really stand to have a great deal of appeal to today's kid but do serve for members of the older fanbase.

Dishonest as always, Miko.

Is that all you've got? Really. Either explain why you think I'm dishonest (I see this as truth, dishonesty implies I'm lying about my perspective which I am not) or don't say anything.

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Marma I wouldn't burn it...well at least I'd wipe my ass with it first.

This is so...immature.

Yeah because when bouts of immaturity come from fellow Potto white knights on BK your lips are sealed. Its only when it's at FUS and we get tired of his crap that suddenly, we make crude jokes, "immaturity" matters! Dub can see comical jest in being an utter sarcastic ass to people, but that kind of flame baiting's not being immature to you. Nowhere is your ass to be found Adamis as apparently it wasn't worth you making a stand and even Ian tried to play that bullshit off in his PMs like "infamous humor" when Dubbie's fellow white knights could even acknowledge he was being an ass. It seems like everyone there's the same. Full of shit. "Come to BK ! We're tolerant! We've got double standards up our ass but we're TOLERANT!" I'm pretty much bugged into going there and when I get there I'm asked what am I doing here since I can't be a good sheep? That's what I find most annoying about today's Sonic comic readers on the internet. If it's someone they like, it's ok to look the other way about what they do.

#31 Guest_Adamis_*

GUESTS

Posted 25 May 2009 - 11:25 PM

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Sure, they will spend 10+ issues crying about Tommy and Connery, of course.
I did not say "different perspective = lying", you're lying about what I've said. Again.
The characters in a comic book HAVE to go on in their stories, otherwise the readers will get bored. This is a FACT. Try learning about how to write a story in a comic book and you'll understand.

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I'll give you one example of a free ressource: Wikipedia.
Past issues? Either the Archives or anywhere on internet (tailskickass for example) if they don't have the money.
And no, it's not the only comic book they have. I own personally 500+ comic books (mangas, US comics, french comics...) so they have a large choice.

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Is that all you've got? Really. Either explain why you think I'm dishonest (I see this as truth, dishonest implies I'm lying about my perspective which I am not) or don't say anything.

You are always dishonest, be it here, on Sonic Stadium, on Bumbleking or any message boards I see you on. And I'm not the only one to say that about you. But it seems you don't like to see that side of yourself. Even if the others are right and even have proof of what they say, you're still trying to find/invent something to try to prove that YOUR point of view is the only one right on this planet.

#32 Guest_Miko_*

GUESTS

Posted 25 May 2009 - 11:36 PM

HAY GAIS LEMME KNOW IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE STUFF LIKE PMS I GOT FROM IAN. SORRY BUDDY I SCREENCAPPED THEM BEFORE DUBBIEKINS GAVE THE BANHAMMER LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

QUOTE ("Adamis")

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Sure, they will spend 10+ issues crying about Tommy and Connery, of course.

Lies. Give em a few issues and they're totally over it.

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I did not say "different perspective = lying", you're lying about what I've said. Again.
The characters in a comic book HAVE to go on in their stories, otherwise the readers will get bored. This is a FACT. Try learning about how to write a story in a comic book and you'll understand.

Can you word that differently?

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I'll give you one example of a free ressource: Wikipedia.

I was citing examples if we excluded factor 1. I notice that you haven't addressed the fact that with hundreds of choices at a typical book store, there is no reason to look for a computer somewhere to dig up on a comic book when you can just quickly get into another one. Competition sucks, I know.

#2.ANYWAY, if wikipedia could replace experiencing what the characters experience in story and to grow bonds with their bonds and so fourth, no one would HAVE to read this comic. People wouldn't have to read anything. Details that Wikipedia may overlook can leave viewers lost.

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Past issues? Either the Archives or anywhere on internet (tailskickass for example) if they don't have the money.

That's illegal and they'd have to know where to look for that stuff first.

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And no, it's not the only comic book they have. I own personally 500+ comic books (mangas, US comics, french comics...) so they have a large choice.

I'm aware of that. What I'm saying is that because of the wide selection they have, they don't have to waste extra time and money learning backstory. If they want they can just look the other way and find something easier to get into.

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Is that all you've got? Really. Either explain why you think I'm dishonest (I see this as truth, dishonest implies I'm lying about my perspective which I am not) or don't say anything.

You are always dishonest, be it here, on Sonic Stadium, on Bumbleking or any message boards I see you on.

You seem to think just saying stuff makes it truth. Citations plox.

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And I'm not the only one to say that about you.

Reeally? So who would these people be?

#33 Guest_Shorty_*

GUESTS

Posted 26 May 2009 - 12:03 AM

QUOTE ("Miko":104l9l8m)

HAY GAIS LEMME KNOW IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE STUFF LIKE PMS I GOT FROM IAN. SORRY BUDDY I SCREENCAPPED THEM BEFORE DUBBIEKINS GAVE THE BANHAMMER LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Miko, you're a bitch.

#34 Guest_Adamis_*

GUESTS

Posted 26 May 2009 - 12:22 AM

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Lies. Give em a few issues and they're totally over it.

That was sarcasm, honey

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Can you word that differently?

Sure.
Get off your little arse and read about "how to write stories for a comic book".

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Don't forget that in my case, the Sonic comic is *not* sold in book store, I have to import them. So, either they (=the kids I know) read the issues I've got or they find another way.

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#2.ANYWAY, if wikipedia could replace experiencing what the characters experience in story and to grow bonds with their bonds and so fourth, no one would HAVE to read this comic. People wouldn't have to read anything. Details that Wikipedia may overlook can leave viewers lost.

Sure. But wikipedia offers what they need to know at first. Then, if they are really interested, they'll search more.

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That's illegal and they'd have to know where to look for that stuff first.

Again, in the case of those kids, either in my collection or on the internet.

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Reeally? So who would these people be?

oooh, come on. Do we really need to play the "give a name" game?
I'll pass. But well, a simple look on Bumbleking and SS will be enough. I won't do that work for you, I think you're old enough to do so.

#35 Guest_Miko_*

GUESTS

Posted 26 May 2009 - 12:33 AM

QUOTE ("Adamis")

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Lies. Give em a few issues and they're totally over it.

That was sarcasm, honey

A little difficult to tell on a computer.

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Can you word that differently?

Sure.
Get off your little arse and read about "how to write stories for a comic book".

Coming from someone who laps up Ian's shit.

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Don't forget that in my case, the Sonic comic is *not* sold in book store, I have to import them. So, either they (=the kids I know) read the issues I've got or they find another way.

Explain how your personal experience reflects the world at large.

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Sure. But wikipedia offers what they need to know at first. Then, if they are really interested, they'll search more.

Even if we were to assume you're correct, I'm not going to really bother with it, since point 1 hasn't really been addressed.

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That's illegal and they'd have to know where to look for that stuff first.

Again, in the case of those kids, either in my collection or on the internet.

World at large Adamis!

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Reeally? So who would these people be?

oooh, come on. Do we really need to play the "give a name" game?

Uhhh yeah? It helps to...give this thing called credibility to what you're saying.

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I'll pass. But well, a simple look on Bumbleking and SS will be enough.

Why will it be enough. BK's isn't exactly the paragon for sincerely taking responsibility for it's fuckups, plus it just makes double standards doesn't taking criticism well and is just one big heaping pile of delusional ass kiss. Provide REAL examples or be quiet. As for SS please provide sources. I'd really like to see what you can pop out your ass.

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I won't do that work for you, I think you're old enough to do so.

If you're going to argue the moon's made of cheese and I'm saying it isn't its YOUR job to prove YOUR points. I'm not arguing on your behalf so naturally I don't owe you shit

#36 Guest_Adamis_*

GUESTS

Posted 26 May 2009 - 01:21 AM

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A little difficult to tell on a computer.

Ah? Weren't you and Marama doing that kind of "sarcasm" last page? How ironic.

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Coming from someone who laps up Ian's shit.

Is that your only argument? Cute.
No, it's coming from someone who studied storywriting, comic book history and comic book arts and I obtained my degree.

Did I say anywhere that I liked everything he wrote? No.

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Explain how your personal experience reflects the world at large.

Where did I say I was talking about the world at large? From the beginning I was talking about my experience.

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Uhhh yeah? It helps to...give this thing called credibility to what you're saying.

Go on the site I've mentioned. Well, YOU don't have to go there because you already know about that ^^

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If you're going to argue the moon's made of cheese and I'm saying it isn't its YOUR job to prove YOUR points. I'm not arguing on your behalf so naturally I don't owe you shit

Adorable. Okay, here's one link. The #200 thread on BK's forum, where you constantly whined for 20 pages.

http://www.bumblekin.......c&start=330

#37 Guest_Viuely_*

GUESTS

Posted 26 May 2009 - 01:29 AM

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Adorable. Okay, here's one link. The #200 thread on BK's forum, where you constantly whined for 20 pages.

http://www.bumblekin.......c&start=330

Oh shut the fuck up Adamis. You know damn well that the flame war was started by Winking Samurai, not us. We were simply defending our opinion. Winking Samurai could've avoided the whole flame war by letting us speak our mind about our opinion and shutting the fuck up. Not even he denied the fact he started it after his ass was put up against the wall.

#38 Guest_Miko_*

GUESTS

Posted 26 May 2009 - 01:37 AM

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A little difficult to tell on a computer.

Ah? Weren't you and Marama doing that kind of "sarcasm" last page? How ironic.

The sarcasm if consistent with your overall message doesn't work very well. We're arguing the losses aren't meaningful. Try killing Sally off and see how obviously lame it'd be for everyone to be over it next issue. I think if Sonic was TOTALLY over Sally in 10 issues people would be scratching their heads. The "losses" Sonic endures involves crap that doesn't really matter to Sonic and co.

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Coming from someone who laps up Ian's shit.

Is that your only argument? Cute.

You do realize I said that though because saying I need to learn how to write for comics didn't actually tell me exactly what you were trying to communicate. Instead of clarifying what you were saying you just made and insult. It didn't really have any substance beyond a flame so I guess that makes you simply adorable too. Or did you think liking Ians work made you exempt from that. A lot of his forumers seem to think they're special.

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No, it's coming from someone who studied storywriting, comic book history and comic book arts and I obtained my degree.

Don't be such a blowhard. Actually explain your point of veiw.

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Did I say anywhere that I liked everything he wrote? No.

Did I say you lapped up ALL of Ian's stuff?

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Explain how your personal experience reflects the world at large.

Where did I say I was talking about the world at large? From the beginning I was talking about my experience.

Which is confusing because I fail to see the overall significance to the discussion if you can't reflect your circumstance to the world at large.

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If you're going to argue the moon's made of cheese and I'm saying it isn't its YOUR job to prove YOUR points. I'm not arguing on your behalf so naturally I don't owe you shit

Adorable. Okay, here's one link.

Not adorable. True. That's why your ass went and got me that half-assed link <3

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The #200 thread on BK's forum, where you constantly whined for 20 pages.

What does me eventually coming to the conclusion Sally was written OOC, Wanking Samurai sparking another Julian debate (after being involved in the others while NOT getting banned while Shorty who said jack shit DOES get banned LOL) and thinking the echidnas should die have ANYTHING to do with being called a liar? I also love how despite the fact that other people got involved in the topic, I'M the one whining. Oh right double standards--nearly forgot for a second.

Remember I don't owe you shit Adamis. Go find where I was called a liar and explain why ^^

You can pop a topic out your ass but unless you can find specifically where it was said it doesn't have the potential to count for a damned thing.

#39 Guest_Adamis_*

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 02:40 AM

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"Shut the fuck up"? You seem really angry for someone who is "innocent".
When there is a flame war, there are two guilties. You also had the possibility to end that but no, you continued it. You are as guilty as him. Defending your opinions is fine, continuing a flamewar is another thing.

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Once again, you're wrong. How is "learn how to write comic books" hard to understand? And where did I insult you? With "cute"? Last time I checked it meant "mignon" in my language.
And no, I don't think liking Ian's work made me exempt of that. I think his work is nice, a bit flawed but he's good for a starter. But he isn't my favourite comic book writer. He's not Boulet (a french comic book artist and writer. I don't think you ever heard of him.)

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Don't be such a blowhard. Actually explain your point of veiw.

I'm not a "blowhard", I'm just stating some things I've studied, so I can judge a story with some notions you don't have if you hadn't studied them. This is why I encourage you to read that kind of stuff. Try Scott Mc Cloud's books for a start.

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Which is confusing because I fail to see the overall significance to the discussion if you can't reflect your circumstance to the world at large.

The kids I know aren't unique: other kids can do that. Simple.

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Not adorable. True. That's why your ass went and got me that half-assed link <3

No, no ^^ Adorable. This is he case I spoke of earlier: when you are in front of the proofs, you deny them. And you start talking badly. You're really obsessed with "ass".

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Remember I don't owe you shit Adamis. Go find where I was called a liar and explain why ^^

I don't owe you anything either, cute Miko. I don't need to prove here where you've been called dishonest/hypocritical (Hey, I told you that on Sonic Stadium !

) but here is a post I've forgotten.

Kaosu Raido said:

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She and her friends/sisters/whatever keep coming back because they can keep going on and on about it and get into their little debates here. If you actually want it to STOP, just stop interacting with it. If the only people they have to fight with on these issues are themselves, they don't WIN, they just don't have anyone else to argue WITH.

We can see how they're wrong, but they obviously aren't going to give, so really it's a two part flood. We're talking three posters, tops, against the rest of the board, and frankly if the rest of the board just nodded and said "yep, there's Miko/Viuley/Shorty for you" and moved on, these floods would be over before they started. There's no argument, there's no reason to debate them, because we know how the arguments are going to go, and we know they're going to keep coming back and doing it AGAIN.

They keep saying they're testing the strength of their arguments, but they can only do that if there's someone to argue WITH. If everyone just went "uh huh" and moved on, completely ignoring them, they'd be done. Yeah, they might keep TALKING, but without anyone interacting with them it'd just be a lump of text you can scroll past, as opposed to something you get involved in.

Let's put it this way: Someone's going to pick this post apart, line by line, and try to point every way they consider me wrong, so they can think they've won. I'm going to scroll right over that reply and ignore it, since I see no reason to care about it.

They can keep going all they want, but without an actual audience, there won't be anyone else to flood.

I can't agree more than that. I will follow these advices. I will leave you and your friends/sisters/whatever in your stupidity. I will leave you, the cute Miko, babbling about this post, trying to prove you're right in your eyes. I've lost enough time with someone as ... let's not be rude... "stubborn" as you. You are the kind of "Sonic fan" I despise, you bring shame on that name. I don't care if you and your so-called friends (yeah, "friends"...) will go and mock what I've said, insult me or even think anything about me. You are an insignificant little person on an obscure, virtual message board that died a long time ago for me (but my affection for SatAM made me come back from time to time to realise it's worst each time. No wonder people are mocking this place and most of its members). I can't care less about what people think of me. I'm a true person and I don't try to pass for someone else just to have attention unlike other people on the internet. I have a real, busy life to take care of after all.

So, having said that, I will not be surprised if I'm getting banned from this place. Anyway, banned or not I don't think I'll ever come back. And no, I will never contribute to this website/forum again. You can keep the Sonic/Sally artwork on the front page if you want.

Salut, bande de nuls.

#40 Guest_Shorty_*

GUESTS

Posted 26 May 2009 - 03:01 AM

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You are an insignificant little person on an obscure, virtual message board that died a long time ago for me (but my affection for SatAM made me come back from time to time to realise it's worst each time. No wonder people are mocking this place and most of its members).

If we're so "insigniffigant" Adamis, why do you even bother to continuously come here to debate us? Better yet, why do you go on just about every message board we do to stop and snide a comment in our topics?

Reeeal insignificant there. Uh-huh.

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I will not be surprised if I'm getting banned from this place

If you get warned or banned Adamis, it'll be because you came waltzing in here, following us as usuall trying to be a hero by starting a flame war via flaming the crap out of people and spouting lible that you STILL haven't managed to prove. Its kind of ironic how you bitch and moan about how Miko's a "dishonest" person, yet when it comes time to put your money where your mouth is and back what you say you can't really come up with anything.

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Anyway, banned or not I don't think I'll ever come back.

See ya. There's the door. *points*

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EDIT: Aaw, isn't that cute? You came back and edited in a tl;dr that didn't even actually cite or refute anything. This is voicing disagreement and butthurt. Its not saying she's trying to lie or anything.

EDIT: I felt the need to respond to this.

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When there is a flame war, there are two guilties. You also had the possibility to end that but no, you continued it. You are as guilty as him.

Oh heeeell no. First of all, its debatable to even call that topic a flame war. Second of all I DID back out, after one post and yet despite the fact I left, the fact that Toby, a MODERATOR contributed after my leave, and the fact other people were also partaking in it alot more than I ever did, my sisters and I get banned yet none of THEM get punished?! Not even WinkingSamurai, the guy who started it? Please. What a load of crap.