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Ian's criticism discussion on Bumbleking...

Started by Guest_Viuely_* , Dec 08 2008 11:52 PM

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#41 Guest_Miko_*

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:42 PM

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So none of the people mentioned by Viuely KNOW what Night did here, they only know what they see around DA, which is probably some nice comments on somebody's art, or whatever.

You're totally confusing me. Either way the friends of people banned by FUS = enemies comment is invalid. If they're his friends, then they would at least have some understanding of who he is. He apparently likes being an asshole. He even said he was, and no one admonished him. But we're going to be admonished? If they honestly don't know him, your comment was still unwarranted because they're not his friends. Still, the double standard arguement by Viu would apply because here is someone whose lavishing being an asshole. No admonishment for such an attitude, but it's ok to be angry for FUSers whom they also don't know, perceiving them to be bad because they're elitists who supposedly indulge in being jerks just the same.

#42 MistressAli

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:52 PM

Maybe 'friends' was misleading; they could be mere friendly aquaintances. Also, you don't think it's possible for somebody to act one way somewhere and another somewhere else?? Also, what part of 'claiming to be an asshole but not acting like one' is so confusing? It doesn't matter if someone says they're an asshole, or that they like to behave badly if nobody witnesses it! I could say I looove 'acting crazy', but if no one sees me acting that way, why would they believe it? But they come to the board and DO see what they might consider elitist behavior, it's something they witness (or perceive, and perception can be stronger than truth). So, it's not a double standard if they're ok with a guy who claims to be an ass, but they never SEE it, but not ok with a board where they DID SEE/PERCIEVE elitist behavior.
Is that more clear?
Either way, I think I'm done with this silly argument.

http://lupienne.deviantart.com/ *Moi DevArts

#43 Guest_nuckles87_*

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 10:32 PM

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I guess by "FUS'res" they mean knuckles87, a guy who used to post here, and I believe up until he made a post or two a few days ago has done nothing concerning FUS but complain about us behind our backs on bumbleking for quite a while now.

Oh no, by "FUSers" Ian means people whom actually don't frequent his board.

Whether you think he'll listen or not, Ian isn't actually replying to, banning, or let others discuss anything in the thread itself. Asking for criticism is hardly an ego stroke. He's also said he'll let Bumbleking members post comments from people who don't want to join his board for whatever reason, so if you have any criticisms, just list them in a post here and I'll be happy to post them over at Bumbleking, no matter how ridiculous I may think they are. As much as I think FUS members are ridiculously harsh on the comic, criticism is important for any writer if he or she intends to grow, and Ian knows this. So go on, post your worse criticisms, I'll forward them over to the topic.

And I really wouldn't call it "behind your back". I'm well aware people from FUS lurk on Bumbleking and see my comments. I've had my criticisms towards this community, and I'm not afraid to express them when I think it's neccessary.

I'm honestly not sure why I'm coming back now, since nothing has really changed. I probably won't be here for long.

#44 Valerie Valens

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 11:30 PM

QUOTE ("MistressAli":2rmd6cye)

Their perception is flawed, any sensible person would take the word of people who have been around for awhile over the word of those who only invested a handful of posts and then leave because people didn't worship them. Remember, we know better and they don't. I call it the Saxman complex, he demanded attention and was power-thirsty during his stay at FUS, and when he couldn't get what he wanted (total control of FUS) because he was exposed for the silly joker he was, he cried elitism and left even when at the time, the forum was paying more attention to him than anyone else.

My final word on the matter is that nobody on FUS really does give a shit if you're a friendly acquaintance with the unwanted folk. However, the moment you, or anyone else for that matter start to adopt a martyr complex over their acquaintance, or act on their behalf to cause trouble, then we have a problem. Simple as that.

If you really want to lend credence to their complaints, then do your homework and press for answers. Ask them to define "elitism" and give examples.

nuckles87 : Why don't you tell us what you REALLY think then? Why wait until being called out before "expressing your criticism"? If you don't feel comfortable in here, then now is the best time to voice it.

#45 Guest_nuckles87_*

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 11:39 PM

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nuckles87 : Why don't you tell us what you REALLY think then? Why wait until being called out before "expressing your criticism"? If you don't feel comfortable in here, then now is the best time to voice it.

lol, not really. Right now, this topic is supposed to be about Ian's question. Launching any criticism would only throw me into an endless debate against 5 people that I don't really have the time or passion to finish.

I emphasize "when I think it's neccessary". When I see something that really gets to me, that I feel is a common problem with this community, I'll go ahead and voice it. Doing it right here and now wouldn't only be off topic, it could be considered flaming, whether it's my intention or not.

I won't address this further either. I'm going to revisit this topic for the next few days. If you want me to send your criticism to Bumbleking (which I strongly urge you to, especially if your Miko, Shorty, or Lord exor) post it here or PM me. Or sign up and post it yourself. Shorty, your name should still be valid on their, you don't even need to sign up .

No one can criticize you or debate what you say, either, so you don't need to worry about defending yourselves.

#46 Valerie Valens

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F3 Staff
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Gender:Female
Location:HK, China

Posted 10 December 2008 - 12:01 AM

*facepalm*

What's wrong with starting a new topic in the proper forum?

#47 chief

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 12:06 AM

Really... I pushed it off topic a tiny bit and it gets yanked off into this..

First off... I dont care if people from FUS don't like crap on other boards. Hell..Free internet shit wooo! Go give her. Say your opinions on other boards yadda yadda. Those who read those opinions from members who belong to FUS (as well as probably a few dozen other boards) FUS is NOT acting in a whole. So whatever members say whatever.. They can.

For those who hate these boards for whatever reasons...Go for it. I'm not going to go pussy foot around something or find any way to stop you from spreading shit about FUS. You want to, go for it. But I WILL find a way that one day to have mostly good stuff said about FUS. I say mostly cause, you always got people who don't like something... I don`t like swimming for instance

Anyways I am not naming any names for anything. Anyone has harsh problems with the FUS boards, email me.

As for the actual topic at hand about anyone being able to go say whatever... Please do. Take your whatever off of this board.

I`m going to leave this topic open still on the hopes that someone will actually keep it on topic. But if I read one more post about blaming people are saying `these people` are the cause for our bad name in certain groups.. I`ll lock this topic right away.

#48 Guest_GothicMetalXVI_*

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 01:53 AM

Well, I think my annoyance with Ian's writing has been pretty much in line with the majority of people here...loose ends that seem to never be tied (Hope's been hanging out in a Starbucks for a couple of years apparently) and a bit too much emphasis on action when it deserves stronger storytelling instead...

However, I do not think Ian is made of total fail...In fact the backup story to 192 is some of the best I've seen from him, and am very interested in what he does with Sonic Universe, hoping for the best.

#49 Guest_nuckles87_*

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 07:53 AM

Ok, I'll go foward it over, although I think he would appreciate something a tad longer and in depth. Most of the praise and criticism posts have been several paragraphs long over at Bumbleking.

#50 Guest_Viuely_*

GUESTS

Posted 10 December 2008 - 10:19 AM

We don't feel Ian's going to listen because even if we did list our grievances, they are huge. It would be a giga tl;dr on epic porportions. Also, how do we know he's not just gonna block people from signing up? I don't trust this.

EDIT: And nuckles, you need to ASK for people's permission to post people's stuff on BK first.

#51 Guest_G-Mel_*

GUESTS

Posted 10 December 2008 - 01:34 PM

Ugh...to the people going "IT'S A TRAP!", just register and post your complaints anyway. IF your paranoia is somehow true and he bans you as soon you join, it won't matter, as the only reason you joined was to post your complaints, correct?

#52 Guest_Viuely_*

GUESTS

Posted 10 December 2008 - 01:41 PM

He's had a tendency to ban people from even finishing registration, actually. He comes off like he doesn't really want to hear it from us, yet is putting us out there, and thats whats pissing me off.

Moreover, I think its also a combination that people there will get pissed off and try to rebut the point regardless of whether or not they're supposed to, and we won't have a chance to defend ourselves because Ian will ban people who don't agree with him for "not following the rules", while he doesn't ban the people who agree with him, and tend to be the ones who provoke the dissenters--not following the rules either all the while. Basically, if someone says something to what we have to say, there's a possibility we'll get banned and they won't.

#53 Guest_RockyRaccoon_*

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 02:08 PM

Hey Guys. Just Letting you know whats up here.

I've gone ahead and PMed Ian on the BK forums.

I'm going to be honest, I don't like the way that post is worded. I mean, I think I can count the number of people on FUS Who don't like him / the direction he's taking the comic on one hand--- theres really no reason to be saying it in a grouped fashion, encompassing ALL of us.

I don't think he bans people because they're FUS'ers, for the record.

#54 Guest_Viuely_*

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 02:11 PM

I think we've gone over this the last time the MoFoers came to FUS.

EDIT: Its not a matter of banning people because they're from FUS, its banning people because they disagree with him. And here on FUS there is a lot of dissenters. So the odds justify the means.

BTW hi Miko *taps her watch*

#55 Guest_Miko_*

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 02:17 PM

Who says "we" reffers to everyone? I think a lot of very vocal and active FUSers have voiced a degree of disdain, some more than others. But those of us who have a lot of criticisms would probably flood the topic with tl;drs, tick people off, and get the ban hammer.

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IF your paranoia is somehow true and he bans you as soon you join,

Paranoia infers our skepticisms have no basis, in which case that isn't true.

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it won't matter, as the only reason you joined was to post your complaints, correct?

I think its a matter of wondering why wasting the time if you're just going to get butthurt fans and a banhammer, which doesn't really bode well on how much is going to be listened to.

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BTW hi Miko *taps her watch*

Shawty didn't make it to the lab yet. lol Iz she back home?

#56 Guest_Viuely_*

GUESTS

Posted 10 December 2008 - 02:36 PM

QUOTE ("Miko":1abbyxj0)

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IF your paranoia is somehow true and he bans you as soon you join,

Paranoia infers our skepticisms have no basis, in which case that isn't true.

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it won't matter, as the only reason you joined was to post your complaints, correct?

I think its a matter of wondering why wasting the time if you're just going to get butthurt fans and a banhammer, which doesn't really bode well on how much is going to be listened to.

QUOTE

BTW hi Miko *taps her watch*

Shawty didn't make it to the lab yet. lol Iz she back home?

No. And word on all your points.

#57

GUESTS

Posted 10 December 2008 - 02:53 PM

Well I registered two days ago, got my account activated yesterday, and since the question of the week was "what was the worst thing to come about since STH#160?" I let fly and let him know what I think he did wrong.

So far most of the comments have been pretty brutal in pointing out the flaws he's made, the fanboys aren't provoking anyone, and I haven't been banned.

Once again I am thoroughly surprised by the pessimistic attitude of some members here.

#58 Guest_Miko_*

GUESTS

Posted 10 December 2008 - 03:26 PM

its pessimistic because for some of us, its based on past expiriences. The butthurt of some of the members welled up when ideas they disagreed with entered the boards. Your complaints don't really go against the stronger opinions some people have there. Maybe it will be alright, maybe it won't. Maybe it's a PR stunt, maybe it's not. If I did say something, it'd likely be a copypasta of previous stuff or stuff from other sites (and no nuckles, don't give him anything I say unless I tell you to).

#59 Guest_Shorty_*

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 03:38 PM

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I've gone ahead and PMed Ian on the BK forums.

Welp, let us know what happens from there, Rocky. =)

QUOTE

I'm going to be honest, I don't like the way that post is worded. I mean, I think I can count the number of people on FUS Who don't like him / the direction he's taking the comic on one hand.

One hand? I think that's a bit of... an exaggeration. Especially since most people who post on the Other Sonic Continuities have a tendency to disagree a lot with the direction he's taking the book.

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I don't think he bans people because they're FUS'ers, for the record.

I don't think that's what people are arguing, Rocky. Most people fear they'll get banned for expressing a different opinion from most of the frequenters on BK.

#60 Guest_RockyRaccoon_*

GUESTS

Posted 10 December 2008 - 03:49 PM

Hey Guys. I got a reply from Ian Flynn.

He agrees it was kinda wrong to lump all of FUS like that and he meant it in jest and hopefully won't do it again because, even I was kinda 'yeah...what the heck?' about that statement...., and he is going to rescind / edit out of said post, he also said ANY FUS'er that wasn't previously banned is ALWAYS welcome to join his forums and discuss things on the forum, as long as you obey thier rules.

~Rocky