Ian is posting a discussion for bumbleking, FUS , and Power Ring goers to exchange criticism towards the comic. you can find the link here:
http://bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1053 .
What do you guys think of this? Personally, I think this might be a load of crap, considering Ian filters people with certain opinions out of his board by refusing to register them. That or he'll just ban people for disagreeing with him and not buying into various fanwanks of his plotholes.
Personally, I doubt this is going to be a rather meaningful contribution to the comic because he's probably not going to get a radically different opinion. IMO, he's not doing rather well on the track he's on. Plus, IICR he's restricting debate, which means if fans get pissed at what someone says they can't retalliate. Nor can someone say something about an uninformed opinion that Ian might actually take seriously.
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Ian's criticism discussion on Bumbleking...
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:08 AM
Ok who the hell from here Lurks there enough for the site to be stated in a "fine what do you guys want?" type of post.
I mean correct me if I'm reading this wrong but was the site just lumped into one big anti "ugh the comic sucks" group?
Cause... That's not good.
I mean... Ok cool and all. But the last thing we need is the site to actually be front lined in a Ian hating thing...
I mean correct me if I'm reading this wrong but was the site just lumped into one big anti "ugh the comic sucks" group?
Cause... That's not good.
I mean... Ok cool and all. But the last thing we need is the site to actually be front lined in a Ian hating thing...
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:12 AM
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Ian is posting a discussion for bumbleking, FUS , and Power Ring goers to exchange criticism towards the comic. you can find the link here:
http://bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1053 .
What do you guys think of this? Personally, I think this might be a load of crap, considering Ian filters people with certain opinions out of his board by refusing to register them. That or he'll just ban people for disagreeing with him and not buying into various fanwanks of his plotholes.
Personally, I doubt this is going to be a rather meaningful contribution to the comic because he's probably not going to get a radically different opinion. IMO, he's not doing rather well on the track he's on. Plus, IICR he's restricting debate, which means if fans get pissed at what someone says they can't retalliate. Nor can someone say something about an uninformed opinion that Ian might actually take seriously.
http://bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1053 .
What do you guys think of this? Personally, I think this might be a load of crap, considering Ian filters people with certain opinions out of his board by refusing to register them. That or he'll just ban people for disagreeing with him and not buying into various fanwanks of his plotholes.
Personally, I doubt this is going to be a rather meaningful contribution to the comic because he's probably not going to get a radically different opinion. IMO, he's not doing rather well on the track he's on. Plus, IICR he's restricting debate, which means if fans get pissed at what someone says they can't retalliate. Nor can someone say something about an uninformed opinion that Ian might actually take seriously.
Yes, Exor has experienced this as I recall. It's BS, and the people on his site are all fanboy's who kiss his ass, I'm betting any really valid complaint showing his incompetence would be removed. I guess by "FUS'res" they mean knuckles87, a guy who used to post here, and I believe up until he made a post or two a few days ago has done nothing concerning FUS but complain about us behind our backs on bumbleking for quite a while now.
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Ok who the hell from here Lurks there enough for the site to be stated in a "fine what do you guys want?" type of post.
I mean correct me if I'm reading this wrong but was the site just lumped into one big anti "ugh the comic sucks" group?
Cause... That's not good.
I mean... Ok cool and all. But the last thing we need is the site to actually be front lined in a Ian hating thing...
I mean correct me if I'm reading this wrong but was the site just lumped into one big anti "ugh the comic sucks" group?
Cause... That's not good.
I mean... Ok cool and all. But the last thing we need is the site to actually be front lined in a Ian hating thing...
Yes Ian probably thinks that, then again he has done a pretty bad job with the comic in many FUS'ers opinions, again including one of our Admin's.
Still, worth a shot I suppose, can't really hurt anything.
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But if you're in on it, you can make it." - Vincent Price
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:19 AM
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Plus, IICR he's restricting debate, which means if fans get pissed at what someone says they can't retalliate. Nor can someone say something about an uninformed opinion that Ian might actually take seriously.
Ian doesn't want the thread to become a giant conversation/argument from what I can tell after a quick skim read.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:22 AM
Its probably not just Ian... By getting summed into a group like this...ughhhh!
Sorry Ive just been trying to find ways for people to stop summing the in tire site up for the acts of a few people and not the population. Like if anyone read chadthecartoonnuts blog thing... People don't like us for reasons that only 1 or two people did to them. That got grouped into the whole site...
Sorry Ive just been trying to find ways for people to stop summing the in tire site up for the acts of a few people and not the population. Like if anyone read chadthecartoonnuts blog thing... People don't like us for reasons that only 1 or two people did to them. That got grouped into the whole site...
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:32 AM
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Sorry Ive just been trying to find ways for people to stop summing the in tire site up for the acts of a few people and not the population. Like if anyone read chadthecartoonnuts blog thing... People don't like us for reasons that only 1 or two people did to them. That got grouped into the whole site...
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:34 AM
This is why it feels so suspicious Ratty. Why does he care about what we think all of a sudden? He doesn't like serious opposing opinions in his board and IMO, he will just ban us anyway. The only way I'd trust him is if he took the discussion somewhere where he can't ban people for disagreement. I only say this because its relevant to the comic, not that anyone has to be surprised by what I have to say.
Nightweaver, Tobeh, and Sonmanic are more than 1 or two people. Some people do things to us, some things are done to other people, as my example implies. If what you say is true, and they sum up the community for a minority, then they obviously do not care to look into the site deeply, and are too selective for their perceptions to change anyway. Do not get caught in worrying about it too much.
Even if we don't like Ian's policies, so what though? We have a right to that. I think Ian barring people from joining for liking characters he doesn't like (such as Drago in White Wolf's case), getting mad when people choose not to accept fanwankage for plotholes, and so on brings this dislike on Ian by his own actions and his own intolerance. We're so supposedly intolerant, yet you can still find people like who can post different opinions on this board without getting banned for things like shipper SonSal politics.
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Its probably not just Ian... By getting summed into a group like this...ughhhh!
Sorry Ive just been trying to find ways for people to stop summing the in tire site up for the acts of a few people and not the population. Like if anyone read chadthecartoonnuts blog thing... People don't like us for reasons that only 1 or two people did to them. That got grouped into the whole site...
Sorry Ive just been trying to find ways for people to stop summing the in tire site up for the acts of a few people and not the population. Like if anyone read chadthecartoonnuts blog thing... People don't like us for reasons that only 1 or two people did to them. That got grouped into the whole site...
Nightweaver, Tobeh, and Sonmanic are more than 1 or two people. Some people do things to us, some things are done to other people, as my example implies. If what you say is true, and they sum up the community for a minority, then they obviously do not care to look into the site deeply, and are too selective for their perceptions to change anyway. Do not get caught in worrying about it too much.
Even if we don't like Ian's policies, so what though? We have a right to that. I think Ian barring people from joining for liking characters he doesn't like (such as Drago in White Wolf's case), getting mad when people choose not to accept fanwankage for plotholes, and so on brings this dislike on Ian by his own actions and his own intolerance. We're so supposedly intolerant, yet you can still find people like who can post different opinions on this board without getting banned for things like shipper SonSal politics.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:47 AM
Hahahaha, reading through chadthecartoonnut's latest blog entry (assuming that's the one you're talking about) didn't seem too negative about FUS, indeed positive toward our change. There was a post from a someone most of us oldbies know all too well, apparently still butthurt over the ED page (which since he still tries to take it down doesn't surprise me, he tried like, I kid you not, IIR 40 times the first 3 days it was out, then slowed down once he decided that he had "really been thinking about confessing for a while now" in a blog entry) that some of us gave him and thinking the whole site "did it" (it was no more than 4 people I think, less if you only count people who go to FUS trust me I know 
) also seems to me to be "torn"/upset the possibility to ban jump the old site again is gone nice, made my night. Though yeah I guess you're talking about an older post from chadthecartoonnut? He's "friends" (sonmanic doesn't really have friends as such from my observations, since he lies and manipulates so much in pursuit of followers I'd say few people do actually know him, much less would be friends if they did) with sonmanic, and many of his "friends" hate FUS for the same reason/misinformation.
EDIT: ahh I see it in the comments, yeah, a lot of people assume we're mean because we try to put actual thought into our posts rather than be cluttered with small talk between people who never really get to know each other and just feels pointless with sites such as SMS (I know some posters enjoy both, that's just what SMS and other sonic sites feel like to me), assuming a sense of community = snobbishness.
) also seems to me to be "torn"/upset the possibility to ban jump the old site again is gone nice, made my night. Though yeah I guess you're talking about an older post from chadthecartoonnut? He's "friends" (sonmanic doesn't really have friends as such from my observations, since he lies and manipulates so much in pursuit of followers I'd say few people do actually know him, much less would be friends if they did) with sonmanic, and many of his "friends" hate FUS for the same reason/misinformation.EDIT: ahh I see it in the comments, yeah, a lot of people assume we're mean because we try to put actual thought into our posts rather than be cluttered with small talk between people who never really get to know each other and just feels pointless with sites such as SMS (I know some posters enjoy both, that's just what SMS and other sonic sites feel like to me), assuming a sense of community = snobbishness.
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...Maybe that is the whole recipe of life, is to be in on the joke. Because life is a joke and if you're not in on it you're out.
But if you're in on it, you can make it." - Vincent Price
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Ian doesn't want the thread to become a giant conversation/argument from what I can tell after a quick skim read.
Ian has a tendency to bend the rules a little for those whom agree with/fanwank his policies, which is partly why I don't buy into that.
And again, he's asking for people with VERY diverging opinions to come on the board and give their two cents. If people aren't expecting some form of debate from happening, they're being extreamly idealistic past the point of logic.
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big anti "ugh the comic sucks" group?
Welp, most people around here don't think the comic's golden, Cheif. Personally, I don't see FUSers disliking the comic as a bad thing.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:56 AM
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Ian has a tendency to bend the rules a little for those whom agree with/fanwank his policies, which is partly why I don't buy into that.
Oh, he's one of those admins. Right...
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I've learned how he opperates first hand. One of the main reasons I don't frequent his board anymore.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 01:29 AM
Cheif, lets assess the damage here of the tissue box that became Chad's journal:
Nightweaver: Got banned for blackmailing members amongst other things.
Sonmanic: No explanation neccessary.
Toby Barret: "Trolling" the board. Something he's actually proud of.
Bring on the Thunder: Thinks we're intolerant, but is endearing to pricks like Nightweaver. "Well, I admire that you don't care what people think of you!"....Nightweaver actually should start. Don't feed trolls BotT. I honestly wouldn't want the tolerance she's got, no offense.
Genocyber: He's alright, but he gets backlash because he gets into discussions without doing the right research. ...And loads of TMI on the chat.
Chad: No problems with him, except he claims people treat him like a N00b here. And with a quote like: You [Nightweaver] always seem like a nice guy to me".... you can see why.
It was probably only less than 10 people complaining and just a couple popular artists who obviously don't keep up with the board but feel the right to complain.
Don't feel too bad, Cheif.
Nightweaver: Got banned for blackmailing members amongst other things.
Sonmanic: No explanation neccessary.
Toby Barret: "Trolling" the board. Something he's actually proud of.
Bring on the Thunder: Thinks we're intolerant, but is endearing to pricks like Nightweaver. "Well, I admire that you don't care what people think of you!"....Nightweaver actually should start. Don't feed trolls BotT. I honestly wouldn't want the tolerance she's got, no offense.
Genocyber: He's alright, but he gets backlash because he gets into discussions without doing the right research. ...And loads of TMI on the chat.
Chad: No problems with him, except he claims people treat him like a N00b here. And with a quote like: You [Nightweaver] always seem like a nice guy to me".... you can see why.
It was probably only less than 10 people complaining and just a couple popular artists who obviously don't keep up with the board but feel the right to complain.
Don't feel too bad, Cheif.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 05:34 AM
Geeze, I would have thought these people would just accept it. -Ok, its over you got banned, move on.- It's so silly to cling to a forum site that they got kicked out of. I mean are they that pathetic? I mean -assuming- we are mean, cruel, and unjust to new people apparently.
Hell, I'm new by a few weeks. I am proof I haven't been mistreated, ignored, or held back in any way. I believe what this all boils down to is they believe they are just -that- special for being so intellegent or so popular for whatever reason just to get a little attention. It's sad later on when they try to -resist- cause then they just make themselves look far worse only reinforcing what members here have said all along about em. I wish they would just be adults, accept the situation they arent wanted here for thier misbehavior and move on. I mean its not that hard, although its just my opinion anyway.
Hell, I'm new by a few weeks. I am proof I haven't been mistreated, ignored, or held back in any way. I believe what this all boils down to is they believe they are just -that- special for being so intellegent or so popular for whatever reason just to get a little attention. It's sad later on when they try to -resist- cause then they just make themselves look far worse only reinforcing what members here have said all along about em. I wish they would just be adults, accept the situation they arent wanted here for thier misbehavior and move on. I mean its not that hard, although its just my opinion anyway.
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I did find a little odd that the same people who imply we're rude, pricks would ignore Nightweaver. On that same token, I'm not sure how warranted going nuts over Chad behaving like a n00b a couple times is. People make mistakes, as long as it's not continous or on the level of stealing someone's art, fine. But goin' ballistic for one mistake is very uncalled for in my opinion. However...management's changed for awhile now. Still a little meh with Nightweaver comment though.
Anyway , I can't say I trust it'd end well. Someone would give a detailed response of why they don't like the direction, some fan of Ian's gets butthurt and makes a response, sometimes sprinking in an ad hom, the dissenter defends their said opinion, the Ian fan whines to Ian and the dissenter gets banned for causing a ruckus. It's happened before and just looks like ban bait t'me.
Anyway , I can't say I trust it'd end well. Someone would give a detailed response of why they don't like the direction, some fan of Ian's gets butthurt and makes a response, sometimes sprinking in an ad hom, the dissenter defends their said opinion, the Ian fan whines to Ian and the dissenter gets banned for causing a ruckus. It's happened before and just looks like ban bait t'me.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 08:31 AM
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Cheif, lets assess the damage here of the tissue box that became Chad's journal:
Nightweaver: Got banned for blackmailing members amongst other things.
Sonmanic: No explanation neccessary.
Toby Barret: "Trolling" the board. Something he's actually proud of.
Bring on the Thunder: Thinks we're intolerant, but is endearing to pricks like Nightweaver. "Well, I admire that you don't care what people think of you!"....Nightweaver actually should start. Don't feed trolls BotT. I honestly wouldn't want the tolerance she's got, no offense.
Genocyber: He's alright, but he gets backlash because he gets into discussions without doing the right research. ...And loads of TMI on the chat.
Chad: No problems with him, except he claims people treat him like a N00b here. And with a quote like: You [Nightweaver] always seem like a nice guy to me".... you can see why.
It was probably only less than 10 people complaining and just a couple popular artists who obviously don't keep up with the board but feel the right to complain.
Don't feel too bad, Cheif.
Nightweaver: Got banned for blackmailing members amongst other things.
Sonmanic: No explanation neccessary.
Toby Barret: "Trolling" the board. Something he's actually proud of.
Bring on the Thunder: Thinks we're intolerant, but is endearing to pricks like Nightweaver. "Well, I admire that you don't care what people think of you!"....Nightweaver actually should start. Don't feed trolls BotT. I honestly wouldn't want the tolerance she's got, no offense.
Genocyber: He's alright, but he gets backlash because he gets into discussions without doing the right research. ...And loads of TMI on the chat.
Chad: No problems with him, except he claims people treat him like a N00b here. And with a quote like: You [Nightweaver] always seem like a nice guy to me".... you can see why.
It was probably only less than 10 people complaining and just a couple popular artists who obviously don't keep up with the board but feel the right to complain.
Don't feel too bad, Cheif.
Maybe it's posts like this which don't help FUS's image. I'm not using you as a scapegoat or blaming you for others thinking what they think, because I'm certain that is not the case, I'm just saying maybe we have too many occurrences of posts of this nature where someone who seems opposed to FUS or gets on the wrong side of the board gets publicly bashed or criticised.
And regardless of whether some people 'deserve it' (for want of a better word) stuff like that doesn't help the board's image. Such as two large examples that have impacted the site and caused some form of backlash around here recently in the last year.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:05 AM
How laughable. There's been people on this board who act just as bad, or as rude as Nightweaver ever did. Hell, some of those assholes used to be -mods-, for cripe's sakes. And when we even have the former owner of these site trying to hack it, how can we judge other people if they think 'Nightweaver isn't that bad.' It's been like 6 fucking years since the guy's been on the board; maybe the guy has changed. How can you say he might not be behaving in a better manner off the board? Wow, let's just insult people because they like someone you don't! That's not childish or anything!
I agree, it makes this place seems so elitist. For members who 'hurt' the board and have now been gone for years and years, why not just get the hell over it?
Wow, it makes me sad that so many people I like or respect, some who have visited FUS for years, have been driven away by this very attitude.
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I'm just saying maybe we have too many occurrences of posts of this nature where someone who seems opposed to FUS or gets on the wrong side of the board gets publicly bashed or criticised.
I agree, it makes this place seems so elitist. For members who 'hurt' the board and have now been gone for years and years, why not just get the hell over it?
Wow, it makes me sad that so many people I like or respect, some who have visited FUS for years, have been driven away by this very attitude.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:52 AM
Aye yes yes and we are trying to get people to likes us now and change the over all impression of the board... One step at a time.
Anyways I managed to de-rail a topic in like one post... Kinda cool, really. But... Back to the original topic of Ian asking stuff. A topic that I actually would know nothing about...Soooo
*tries to push the thread back onto topic*
Anyways I managed to de-rail a topic in like one post... Kinda cool, really. But... Back to the original topic of Ian asking stuff. A topic that I actually would know nothing about...Soooo
*tries to push the thread back onto topic*
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Cheif, I think what Viuely's trying to say isn't that everyone who complained on his journal "deserved" the treatment they got, rather, that some of the reasonings tend to discard or acknowledge the reasons for certain actions taken upon the so-called "oppressed" on behalf of the board. There's two sides to every story.
Don't get me wrong, I do think FUSers have their part to play in this, but I think there's also been a lack of initiative and sense of personal responsibility on behalf of those who've complained. If people are talking about the same thing for instance, why not make a new topic about something you want to discuss? Will debates occasionally happen on the board? Practically a given, as productive boards with people of diverging opinions will inevitably collide a bit.
I think what concerns people is what should, and shouldn't be proper conduct in discussions or debates. Where is the line drawn? For many an FUSer, I think that there is an underlying fear of being oppressed by people losing or feeling intimidated in engaging in debates. This has happened on places like MoFo for some of our members where we've been complained about by people who couldn't keep up or disagreed with us and we were as a result, subsequently banned.
However, on the other end of the spectrum, there are probably people who feel intimidated to do so much as engage in a discussion with others for fear that they'll be ridiculed for their opinions. I myself have been insulted/Ad hommed in debates several times on this very MB, so I can only imagine how it must be like for someone whose just coming here trying to get acquainted with the place.
Where is the line drawn? I think that's the real question here. How can we keep forumers from being oppressive with one another or with newcomers, while allowing them to keep their ability to hold free speech on this board?
As for Ian's board..It feels like its got "trap" written all over it. If we don't say anything they'll just validate their actions by saying that we were silent when we "had the chance". However, if we go there, make a statement and have to defend our opinons from opposers, there's a good chance we could get banned. Unless there's some sort of agreement made with the officials of FUS and Ian himself, I'm not sure what good, if any could come out of this.
Don't get me wrong, I do think FUSers have their part to play in this, but I think there's also been a lack of initiative and sense of personal responsibility on behalf of those who've complained. If people are talking about the same thing for instance, why not make a new topic about something you want to discuss? Will debates occasionally happen on the board? Practically a given, as productive boards with people of diverging opinions will inevitably collide a bit.
I think what concerns people is what should, and shouldn't be proper conduct in discussions or debates. Where is the line drawn? For many an FUSer, I think that there is an underlying fear of being oppressed by people losing or feeling intimidated in engaging in debates. This has happened on places like MoFo for some of our members where we've been complained about by people who couldn't keep up or disagreed with us and we were as a result, subsequently banned.
However, on the other end of the spectrum, there are probably people who feel intimidated to do so much as engage in a discussion with others for fear that they'll be ridiculed for their opinions. I myself have been insulted/Ad hommed in debates several times on this very MB, so I can only imagine how it must be like for someone whose just coming here trying to get acquainted with the place.
Where is the line drawn? I think that's the real question here. How can we keep forumers from being oppressive with one another or with newcomers, while allowing them to keep their ability to hold free speech on this board?
As for Ian's board..It feels like its got "trap" written all over it. If we don't say anything they'll just validate their actions by saying that we were silent when we "had the chance". However, if we go there, make a statement and have to defend our opinons from opposers, there's a good chance we could get banned. Unless there's some sort of agreement made with the officials of FUS and Ian himself, I'm not sure what good, if any could come out of this.
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It's been like 6 fucking years since the guy's been on the board; maybe the guy has changed. How can you say he might not be behaving in a better manner off the board? Wow, let's just insult people because they like someone you don't! That's not childish or anything!
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The way he talks about himself on Chad's thing would suggest otherwise. It doesn't sound like he cares either. Not really my problem though. All I can say is I respect the decisions FUS made with those that were banned. I can't help but feel like people are just commenting out of butthurt.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 01:23 PM
QUOTE ("Shorty":2drp6i8x)
Cheif, I think what Viuely's trying to say isn't that everyone who complained on his journal "deserved" the treatment they got, rather, that some of the reasonings tend to discard or acknowledge the reasons for certain actions taken upon the so-called "oppressed" on behalf of the board. There's two sides to every story.
Don't get me wrong, I do think FUSers have their part to play in this, but I think there's also been a lack of initiative and sense of personal responsibility on behalf of those who've complained. If people are talking about the same thing for instance, why not make a new topic about something you want to discuss? Will debates occasionally happen on the board? Practically a given, as productive boards with people of diverging opinions will inevitably collide a bit.
I think what concerns people is what should, and shouldn't be proper conduct in discussions or debates. Where is the line drawn? For many an FUSer, I think that there is an underlying fear of being oppressed by people losing or feeling intimidated in engaging in debates. This has happened on places like MoFo for some of our members where we've been complained about by people who couldn't keep up or disagreed with us and we were as a result, subsequently banned.
However, on the other end of the spectrum, there are probably people who feel intimidated to do so much as engage in a discussion with others for fear that they'll be ridiculed for their opinions. I myself have been insulted/Ad hommed in debates several times on this very MB, so I can only imagine how it must be like for someone whose just coming here trying to get acquainted with the place.
Where is the line drawn? I think that's the real question here. How can we keep forumers from being oppressive with one another or with newcomers, while allowing them to keep their ability to hold free speech on this board?
As for Ian's board..It feels like its got "trap" written all over it. If we don't say anything they'll just validate their actions by saying that we were silent when we "had the chance". However, if we go there, make a statement and have to defend our opinons from opposers, there's a good chance we could get banned. Unless there's some sort of agreement made with the officials of FUS and Ian himself, I'm not sure what good, if any could come out of this.
Don't get me wrong, I do think FUSers have their part to play in this, but I think there's also been a lack of initiative and sense of personal responsibility on behalf of those who've complained. If people are talking about the same thing for instance, why not make a new topic about something you want to discuss? Will debates occasionally happen on the board? Practically a given, as productive boards with people of diverging opinions will inevitably collide a bit.
I think what concerns people is what should, and shouldn't be proper conduct in discussions or debates. Where is the line drawn? For many an FUSer, I think that there is an underlying fear of being oppressed by people losing or feeling intimidated in engaging in debates. This has happened on places like MoFo for some of our members where we've been complained about by people who couldn't keep up or disagreed with us and we were as a result, subsequently banned.
However, on the other end of the spectrum, there are probably people who feel intimidated to do so much as engage in a discussion with others for fear that they'll be ridiculed for their opinions. I myself have been insulted/Ad hommed in debates several times on this very MB, so I can only imagine how it must be like for someone whose just coming here trying to get acquainted with the place.
Where is the line drawn? I think that's the real question here. How can we keep forumers from being oppressive with one another or with newcomers, while allowing them to keep their ability to hold free speech on this board?
As for Ian's board..It feels like its got "trap" written all over it. If we don't say anything they'll just validate their actions by saying that we were silent when we "had the chance". However, if we go there, make a statement and have to defend our opinons from opposers, there's a good chance we could get banned. Unless there's some sort of agreement made with the officials of FUS and Ian himself, I'm not sure what good, if any could come out of this.
Haha, that was exactly what I was trying to say Shorty. On point as usual, sis. I will say this one more time for emphasis though, so that everybody knows I said it legitimately: I am NOT, repeat NOT, by any means trying say everyone who has a problem with FUS has a lame reason for it.
Anyway, yeah Shorty I agree. If Ian is going to mention our board, he needs to talk to the moderators and admins first and make an agreement. What's protecting us from mistreatment on his boards? Notice he didn't mention places like MoFo or Sonic Stadium. It feels like he's just singling us out because we disagree with him mostly. It feels like we don't "speak up" about our grievences then it'll be supposedly be our faults, when there's actually more of a skepticism we'll be treated fairly.
Granted, I personally would like it better if Ian came here on FUS to ask for answers, it'd come off as a little bit more sincere at least. Plus the mods here (or at least I'd think most of them), do not have shipper biases so nobody has to get scared of pointing out a plothole Ian made without getting banned once his fourmers don't want to hear it---regardless if you are following the rules.
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