Well a lot of them might be familiar with the comic... If they see that here they might go "oh hey lets join!" Then we attack them and shove SatAM in their faces
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Future of FUS - Time to Voice
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, Nov 28 2008 07:39 PM
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Posted 02 December 2008 - 06:45 PM
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Posted 02 December 2008 - 06:47 PM
It is delicious SatAM, you must eat it!
I still wanna know what Rocky plans on adding to the main site.
I still wanna know what Rocky plans on adding to the main site.
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Posted 02 December 2008 - 09:44 PM
Well... my personal vote is down. I don't really think it will draw in new members. Without being a snob - well, okay, forget that, I'm a lil bit of a snob - okay, shut up, I'm a big snob - I wouldn't want half the conversation on the board dominated by Archie talk. I come here because I love the show, not the comic.
The best outcome would be to get people who came in through the fandom via Archie to check out SatAM and the boxsets. Maybe it if were very clear that the site's focus is first and foremost on SatAM, with a little bit of Archie as a curiosity and as outreach? But it would be hard to do that without being really awkward about it.
The best outcome would be to get people who came in through the fandom via Archie to check out SatAM and the boxsets. Maybe it if were very clear that the site's focus is first and foremost on SatAM, with a little bit of Archie as a curiosity and as outreach? But it would be hard to do that without being really awkward about it.
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Posted 02 December 2008 - 09:45 PM
Plus I think everyone who reads the comic knows of the show.
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Posted 02 December 2008 - 09:46 PM
If we used a naked fat man to get our point across would that help out?
But on a serious note.... I don't think the new generation of Sonic Fans know of SatAM.
But on a serious note.... I don't think the new generation of Sonic Fans know of SatAM.
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Posted 02 December 2008 - 09:55 PM
They might not, but I don't think Archie is going to get their attention. Sonic Unleashed might.
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Posted 02 December 2008 - 11:17 PM
QUOTE ("Tristan Palmgren":2m6daup0)
Well... my personal vote is down.
This is not a vote, as the end of my orignal post said. This is going to be deployed in one form or another. People's opinons will tell me what may or may not be a good idea in the upcoming changes.
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They might not, but I don't think Archie is going to get their attention. Sonic Unleashed might.
Hellllll No. I want nothing to do with werewolf sonic.
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Posted 02 December 2008 - 11:38 PM
Well I want nothing to do with Archie. BA ZING!
Seriously, though, this is happening no matter what? I was under the impression from your first post that if enough people didn't like it, it wouldn't happen.
Maybe I misread that. I think you should keep it inside the forum then. Have reviews and what not happen here. It'd make the forum more active which is what your ultimate goal is right?
Also the reason I brought up werehog Sonic was because first of all, it is a good Sonic game, second, I'd be willing to bet the majority of people who read the Archie comics all ready know of SatAM and have their places to go.
What I really think FUS needs to get going is some kind of project that people can look forward to that actually gets done. Whether it's a game, a comic, a cartoon, I dunno. But just adding Archie stuff won't do a thing.
Seriously, though, this is happening no matter what? I was under the impression from your first post that if enough people didn't like it, it wouldn't happen.
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This is NOT a majority vote. for the record. I want your opinons as the staff core decides on the best plan of action. Your Opinons will shape this, and determine if it happens at all.
Maybe I misread that. I think you should keep it inside the forum then. Have reviews and what not happen here. It'd make the forum more active which is what your ultimate goal is right?
Also the reason I brought up werehog Sonic was because first of all, it is a good Sonic game, second, I'd be willing to bet the majority of people who read the Archie comics all ready know of SatAM and have their places to go.
What I really think FUS needs to get going is some kind of project that people can look forward to that actually gets done. Whether it's a game, a comic, a cartoon, I dunno. But just adding Archie stuff won't do a thing.
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 12:27 AM
The end of your original post said our opinions would make you decide on whether or not this would happen at all, so that's probably why some people are confused.
To make sure I got this straight, what you're trying to do is bring more traffic to the forum, correct? And to do this, you're going to add information about the comic to the website, right? There's a few things wrong with this logic that I'd like to point out.
1. As others have pointed out, most of the people who read the comic all ready know about the TV show. In fact a lot of people found the TV show through the comic and vice versa. You wouldn't be introducing them to anything new or exciting.
2. Adding new sections to the site doesn't necessarily mean more traffic to the forums. I say this because there are a lot of Sonic sites out there all ready that cover comic information. People are all ready on other forums talking about the comics, so why would they come here?
I'm not in any way trying to diss the site at all, because I do think this is a very good site, but the one thing people don't seem to understand is this:
A message board is a community. When the community dies down and people move on with their lives (which they will do), the board traffic slows down. What do you do then? You can either accept it, or you can try to expand the community. I see you're trying to expand the community, but I don't feel you're going about it properly. As you said, the TV show is stagnant and I won't argue that point. However, as I pointed out, people aren't going to flock to this site over comic information. If anything you're going to need to go above and beyond adding comic information and at that point you have another generic Sonic site.
Instead, I'd try to find something unique to offer your community. Ask your community what it is they really want. If you listen to them and adhere to them, eventually the community will grow. Make people want to return. Since it seems you will be adding comic information, I'd see about getting interactive reviews, or reviews that anyone can comment on. I see you said you need someone to do the reviews. Is it possible to have it so anyone can make a review or comment on an issue? It would be something that people would want to come back to. It's good that you're trying to get input on this expansion, and I hope you take some of these ideas into consideration. Just try to find something unique that you can offer everyone that they'd want to come back for. I think that's the best way to go about it.
To make sure I got this straight, what you're trying to do is bring more traffic to the forum, correct? And to do this, you're going to add information about the comic to the website, right? There's a few things wrong with this logic that I'd like to point out.
1. As others have pointed out, most of the people who read the comic all ready know about the TV show. In fact a lot of people found the TV show through the comic and vice versa. You wouldn't be introducing them to anything new or exciting.
2. Adding new sections to the site doesn't necessarily mean more traffic to the forums. I say this because there are a lot of Sonic sites out there all ready that cover comic information. People are all ready on other forums talking about the comics, so why would they come here?
I'm not in any way trying to diss the site at all, because I do think this is a very good site, but the one thing people don't seem to understand is this:
A message board is a community. When the community dies down and people move on with their lives (which they will do), the board traffic slows down. What do you do then? You can either accept it, or you can try to expand the community. I see you're trying to expand the community, but I don't feel you're going about it properly. As you said, the TV show is stagnant and I won't argue that point. However, as I pointed out, people aren't going to flock to this site over comic information. If anything you're going to need to go above and beyond adding comic information and at that point you have another generic Sonic site.
Instead, I'd try to find something unique to offer your community. Ask your community what it is they really want. If you listen to them and adhere to them, eventually the community will grow. Make people want to return. Since it seems you will be adding comic information, I'd see about getting interactive reviews, or reviews that anyone can comment on. I see you said you need someone to do the reviews. Is it possible to have it so anyone can make a review or comment on an issue? It would be something that people would want to come back to. It's good that you're trying to get input on this expansion, and I hope you take some of these ideas into consideration. Just try to find something unique that you can offer everyone that they'd want to come back for. I think that's the best way to go about it.
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 05:08 AM
I don't know where people are getting this idea that most people who read the comic know about the show.
While adults and teenagers do read Archie, it is by and large a children's comic book, with a userbase born largely after SatAm was cancelled. It's true we recently had a DVD release, but it recieved minimal advertisements and was only mentioned on a couple hardcore Sonic websites.
I would say that a large swath of the Arche fanbase is, at the very least, ignorant of what SatAm is.
I am both surprised and happy to hear you say that, Sonique.
While adults and teenagers do read Archie, it is by and large a children's comic book, with a userbase born largely after SatAm was cancelled. It's true we recently had a DVD release, but it recieved minimal advertisements and was only mentioned on a couple hardcore Sonic websites.
I would say that a large swath of the Arche fanbase is, at the very least, ignorant of what SatAm is.
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 09:30 AM
I think it has something to do with the old-school readership of Archie, who knows of SatAM, being familliar faces like Dan Drazen, while the newer readers are pretty much hard to connect with from the PoV of the older readers.
Personally, I don't really give a shit about the whole "staying pure to SatAM" issue as long as whatever changes are made bring in new desireable faces. Who knows? It could turn into something that could get people to know about SatAM through Archie and how they are connected in the early issues.
Personally, I don't really give a shit about the whole "staying pure to SatAM" issue as long as whatever changes are made bring in new desireable faces. Who knows? It could turn into something that could get people to know about SatAM through Archie and how they are connected in the early issues.
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 09:43 AM
Exactly, and becoming a good resource for archie information (heck why not *the best*? Sonic HQ can still keep the title of most exhaustive because they carry roughly equal information on all sonic comics and we would just do a more in-depth archie.) would bring in fans who might have a question about the backstory (even though it's constantly being retconned, oh that Ian!) and expose them to how good Sonic can actually be.
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 09:45 AM
I think it's a mistake to lump Archie Sonic fans into one category. The comic has been going on for more than TEN years, with almost 200 issues. Old fans have left, new ones have joined, old ones have come back, everyone has their different opinion of the comic. So to say that "all Archie fans don't know of SatAM" or "all Archie fans know SatAM" are inaccurate generalizations that will get us nowhere. In general, I think the veteran fanbase of the Archie comics could prove to be contributing and welcome members, because they are likely to remember the "good ol' days" of Archie comics which is at the point where the Comic and SatAM are most similar.
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 10:11 AM
I agree. The oldies like myself remember the show, the new kids might have heard of it, or not. If this is going to happen like you insist it is (even though your first post implies our mass opinions of NO might stop this) then fine. But I came here for the small fan numbers. I like this place as it is. I don't know if I can stand seeing new comic information. Maybe I will get used to it, maybe not. All I know is that you should not force it on us like we have no choice. Thats just not good. I could be going to another fan sites about SatAM but I come here for the simple fact that its well run, has info galore, and has users that are good in each their own way.
Just because the fanbase maye getting smaller, does not have to be bad thing. Just as long as we have enough to justify the cost of keeping this MB and site open (and I think we do) and running we should be ok.
Oh, and one last thing. I saw Sonic Unleashed at a friends house the other day. I didn't play, just watched. It was bad. SO BAD! It was nothing the classic games I know and love and I almost screamed at it. Sonic as a werewolf? NO THANKS!
Just because the fanbase maye getting smaller, does not have to be bad thing. Just as long as we have enough to justify the cost of keeping this MB and site open (and I think we do) and running we should be ok.
Oh, and one last thing. I saw Sonic Unleashed at a friends house the other day. I didn't play, just watched. It was bad. SO BAD! It was nothing the classic games I know and love and I almost screamed at it. Sonic as a werewolf? NO THANKS!
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 10:55 AM
I have to agree with Locke. When I showed SatAM Sonic to some kids I was supervising at church, there were some who (surprisingly, well to me anyway) recognized Sally, but never heard of the SatAM shows. I have also met adults who were fans of the comics and the games, but have never heard of a Sonic cartoon other that "Sonic X" and maybe "AoStH". Not ALL Archie fans know of SatAM, but there are a few.
I think a few other ways (and maybe more affective ways) to increase traffic would be to post Season 3 comics on sites other than FUS. There are some sites dedicated to web comics that we could post on. And, of course, we could always affiliate with more Sonic fan sites out there. And I don't know what Mysterious Animator X is doing with that Season 3 pitch, but he has a right to remain "mysterious", I guess.
It's just I don't think simply adding Archie stuff would be that "fix all" solution you're looking for.
And SAA, we can handle a few more, can't we?
I think a few other ways (and maybe more affective ways) to increase traffic would be to post Season 3 comics on sites other than FUS. There are some sites dedicated to web comics that we could post on. And, of course, we could always affiliate with more Sonic fan sites out there. And I don't know what Mysterious Animator X is doing with that Season 3 pitch, but he has a right to remain "mysterious", I guess.
It's just I don't think simply adding Archie stuff would be that "fix all" solution you're looking for.
And SAA, we can handle a few more, can't we?
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:24 AM
I guess. Just not an huge overflow. But we won't get that will we?
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:59 AM
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...I don't know what Mysterious Animator X is doing with that Season 3 pitch, but he has a right to remain "mysterious", I guess.
In my opinion, Queen Sullivan can go shove that pitch where the sun doesn't shine.
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 12:42 PM
QUOTE ("Valerie Valens":lcxn0mrr)
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...I don't know what Mysterious Animator X is doing with that Season 3 pitch, but he has a right to remain "mysterious", I guess.
In my opinion, Queen Sullivan can go shove that pitch where the sun doesn't shine.
Right on!
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 03:14 PM
lol @ val
and ... have you considered having two separate sites? one for Archie and one for Satam? like archie.satamsonic.com and they both share this board? That way you're advertising a whole new site instead of just "here's some stuff added to FUS"
I'd approve of that completely.
and ... have you considered having two separate sites? one for Archie and one for Satam? like archie.satamsonic.com and they both share this board? That way you're advertising a whole new site instead of just "here's some stuff added to FUS"
I'd approve of that completely.
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 03:15 PM
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I don't know if I can stand seeing new comic information. Maybe I will get used to it, maybe not.
If not, you could just stay away from the Archie Comic section.
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