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[chief]

Well, we are going to try and draw in more people and increase activity from the current ones. I also want to draw in more people like I was when I joined.. I barely knew of Sonic except a slight memory of watching a sonic show... And now look where I am. If we drew in more people who barely knew anything it could increase some good topics and so on.


But for now the Archie section will hopefully draw in current readers of that comic.


As for how do we make the site Archie friendly? Uhm... Well a lot of you guys already read the comic so I can't see it being anything of a huge change.

[acstrife]

I have no objections at all with the new change. I believe the fresh blood will only enhance the fandom of Sonic.

Generally the comic and TV Show have the same characters, some differences. I only myself read a few of the comics I liked them ok enough.

I look forward to the upcoming new wave of people.

[Ratty Randnums]

I agree with this decision as well, mainly because I post more in the Other Continuities forum than I do in any other on this board, and nearly every topic I post in is something about the Archie comic rather than the other various universes.

I also agree that the comic and the show were virtually interchangeable save a few small details, though I have always preferred Archie's origin of Robotnik far more than the one that may have been used for Season 3.

Also, is the Knuckles comics a part of this change too? It seems like it should be, as its a spinoff of the spinoff and from what I hear most people here seem to think they were some of Ken's best work and I believe this as well from the few I've been able to obtain.

The Knuckles Mini-Series Comics will be 'included' in discussion and scans and the issue list, as they are a direct spinoff, and in some cases, important, to the series.

Don't forget to put them together since many if not most of the issues of Knuckles could be placed side by side to create 3 issue "posters" :3

[Razgrizblaze1]

I would see nothing wrong with this expansion. It would actually give us a chance to interact with a new legion of fans and the subject matter is vaguely similar. As long as these new rules keep us from starting a flame war over which version of Sonic or Sally is better, then I think that this new section will flow quite smoothly with what already exists. I'm also glad that there are people on this forum that see the need for change in order for the forum to grow, and this gives me a little more faith in the forum's future. Bring on the change peoples in power!

[The Man]

Warning, long rant that might not mean anything. I should type 'I really don't like this move.'

If it means the survival of the site sure. But the primary reason I like the show is the quality of the episodes not quantity. I'm not patrotinizing but it's hard to pick and choose what we like about the show. What works in Archie doesn't mean it works in SatAM. Adding all these characters and places so far has kinda diminished Robotnik's image as well as Sonics.

Basically, Archie is picking it up as best it can but its gone on for so long some people don't think it matters. It should have ended with four seasons years ago with really good episodes, but since it's so long after the fact maybe one way of the other doesn't matter.

I'm sure we can be open to more ideas but it will be hard for some of us to accept it since it might not be real SatAM material.

It's better than nothing for now and maybe one day we will see a true conclusion. Maybe we can consider much of Archie season 5+.

I won't leave but I probably won't meld well with Archie fans. I know I have stated stuff like 'Sonic will beat anyone no matter where he is because of his speed.' This is true but you have to think of everyone who really needs to be there for that? Does this character/situation take too much away/not do enough for Sonic, the FF's and Robotnik.

It will work as long as Sonic, the FF's, and Robotnik remain the primary focus. We have to make everyone else less important.

[Cheezmatt]

Thank you Sonique, I'm sure your input makes Chief feel all warm inside.

[Nique]

I came back from my Thanksgiving vacation and found this. I've been a long time lurker on the site. Yeah it's not updated much, but that never bothered me because I saw it more of a shrine than anything else. It's a mighty good one. Now I know I've never posted here as I tend to ignore internet forums so I'll probably be looked over but I did feel like I needed to say something.

First of all there's this:

B.) That Die Hard SatAM Fans need to realize that the Archie comic //is// the spiritual successor of the TV show, to a point. This isn't an Opinon, it's a fact, wether you like it or not. They both have the same characters largely, and like or hate it, the comic shows no signs of ending soon.

I realize I'm majorly treading thin ice here, but this simply isn't true. Yes, they both have the same characters largely, and yes the comic is still going, but the stories are so different from one another. Take Antoine for example. In the TV show, Antoine is a coward, but in the comic, he's very brave. In the TV show, the floating island houses the time stones, in the comic the floating island houses Knuckles. In the TV show, only Sonic can use the power rings, where as in the comics, anyone can use them. In the TV show, Robotnik and Snively are the only two humans where as in the comic, there's plenty of them.

Now you're not comparing apples to oranges here, but the comic and the cartoon are a bit different from one another and at no point should the comic be considered the continuation of the show. By adding comic elements to the main site, you'll confuse new comers to the site and you'll have conflicting information.

However, I'll be honest here, I'm not entirely sure what you're going to do. Are you simply expanding the forum or are you adding whole new sections to the site. You say it will still be about the TV show, but are you adding comic characters to the profiles page? Are you adding a reviews section? If people see reviews for the comics (as you said you wanted) people will then wonder where the profiles for the comics are. Or they'll wonder where this and that information about the comic is. Where will you draw the line?

I also think the reasoning for this expansion isn't a good one. "To get more traffic." That's all good and well but the comics are a dying breed as is. I don't think adding comic information is going to get that much more traffic. I think a better thing to do is turn the forum into a general Sonic forum, but even then, there's a lot of those out there so I'm not sure how much traffic you would garner, but it'd be better than adding a section for something that hardly gets any attention as is.

I guess in the end it depends on what you want to do. Do you want to create a whole new site for the sake of getting a little more traffic (and really looking around, this place isn't that bad) or do you want to stick to your roots? I know that the TV show doesn't have a lot going for it right now but that happens. I doubt the comics will last much longer. Again it depends on what you want to do. I just wanted to share my input as these are issues I'd like to see addressed. I apologize if I came off as harsh or demanding in anyway and I appreciate you taking the time to read this.

[randomizer]

Also I seriously get the idea that people are afraid to speak their minds because of what might be said to them. Do it people, speak your mind about this. That's what it's here for.

I'm not really bothered either way.

[Cheezmatt]

B.) That Die Hard SatAM Fans need to realize that the Archie comic //is// the spiritual successor of the TV show, to a point. This isn't an Opinon, it's a fact, wether you like it or not. They both have the same characters largely, and like or hate it, the comic shows no signs of ending soon.

I realize I'm majorly treading thin ice here, but this simply isn't true. Yes, they both have the same characters largely, and yes the comic is still going, but the stories are so different from one another.

I think a more apt description of the comic is as a 'genetic relative' of the show. They both hail from the primitive common ancestor of DiC's design notes, but while SatAM was constantly refined and tidied up before emerging as the series we know today, the comic was ejaculated prematurely into the public eye where it's stumbled around on two-dimensional stumps, constantly mutating through outside influences to become the monstrosity it is today.

Anyway, admittedly I do find the prospect of attracting valued members through the comic books dubious at best. It has to say something that the Other Sonic Continuities forum is one of the only places to be actively trolled more than once. The scenario goes something like this: "Okay, this issue sucks, and here's why: etc etc" "No, YOU suck, and here's why... LOL I TROLL YOU *spam spam spam*"

It's worthwhile to attract new members to a niche fansite, but I don't think this is the right way to go about it.

[chief]

All in All we already have "Other Sonic Continuities" and most of what goes on in there is already crap about the comic. Very little I see about AoSTH or Sonic X or whatever other horrid thing.

Mostly what will happen is a name change/adding a few forums. Nothing huge is going to happen.


And yea ok Pussgetstheboot, this is some "shrine" to SatAM, whatever. And it is still staying as a SatAM site. We are just adding a few new things to give the forum a bit more variety. I mean hell its a forum, its now my job to attract people and get them to talk. I'm not trying to attract only Archie Comic fans either. I mean.. When I first found FUS I didn't care about SatAM, or any sonic thing. I knew of the cartoon and remembered watching it. But other then that I couldn't care less. Then of course I joined the forum randomly, started talking, then re watched SatAM, and yadda yadda I still think Sonic is one of the worst characters ever made. Watched SatAM for its other characters, and story line.

What I'm trying to say in that really is I want to try to attract people like I was. just random people who stumble across the forum and join without knowing much.

The adding of the Archie section (which pretty much already exists just under a different name) I'm also hoping to attract the comic goers. The ones who only know the comic. But... If they join a site with also SatAM, especially with SatAM as a main thing, they might gain interest in the show, thus expanding the dying SatAM community.


I am not trying to spit on the face of SatAM in any way. Or shun it from the site/board.

[Cheezmatt]

I believe pussgetstheboot is referring to the proposed changes to the website proper rather than the forum, and its use to specifically attract Archie fans.

[chief]

What? No..... I mean from Other Sonic Cont. to Archie Comics. Not a actual board name. What I was saying was that the adding of a Archie Forum will be nothing much, concidering 90% of the talk in that one forum is just for the comic anyways.

I thought I said that part clearly too... We are staying FUS... that isn't changing.. Hell I would put up a fight for that.