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[randomizer]

At least it means no Super Tails. I'm not really a fan of the birds.

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

I like the idea as well. In Sonic X Super Sonic looked like a freakin' god to me. But then Jason's Griffin's voice got in the way of the design (as it did throughout the whole series). But I digress.

I don't know if Jaleel White would be able to do a "Super Sonic voice", since it make sense to me that it would somehow be different than Sonic's usual voice.

[Razgrizblaze1]

Seeing Super-Sonic and the chaos emeralds would be quite an interesting plot device in the SatAM series, but it would have to be kept in a manner that doesn't throw the whole plot around. For example, it would either need to happen at the very end of the series for one grand finale and/or the super sonic status would need to come with severe limitations. (Such as a a vast energy drain that leaves sonic weak at the end [...or dead!!? ] or an unknown time limit that helps keep the vast levels of power in check.) Otherwise, that long haul, hopeless battle type feeling that SatAM gave us in the first place would quickly dissapear and much of the shows entire premise would be lost. In the end, it would all be a headache to balance out and I don't know if anyone would have been up to that task.

[Ratty Randnums]

Seeing Super-Sonic and the chaos emeralds would be quite an interesting plot device in the SatAM series, but it would have to be kept in a manner that doesn't throw the whole plot around. For example, it would either need to happen at the very end of the series for one grand finale and/or the super sonic status would need to come with severe limitations. (Such as a a vast energy drain that leaves sonic weak at the end [...or dead!!? ] or an unknown time limit that helps keep the vast levels of power in check.) Otherwise, that long haul, hopeless battle type feeling that SatAM gave us in the first place would quickly dissapear and much of the shows entire premise would be lost. In the end, it would all be a headache to balance out and I don't know if anyone would have been up to that task.

I think the writers would have been able to pull it off. But the real problem with the stones is that they are, like Super Sonic (and other supers) *clears throat* Gigantic Ripoffs of DBZ (though this isn't news and Naka has been pretty honest about it I've heard) so the problem would be working them in well as you say, so it doesn't change the story to Dragonball/Z/GT. Where instead of rebels fighting an evil dictator they'd basically just be adventurers continually going around looking for the emeralds.

[BigWigRah]

Ratty makes a great point. If they have to go look for the damn emeralds, it would result in a reduction in force to attack Robotropolis, or more importantly, defend Knothole. It changes the dynamic of the plot quite a bit. The Freedom Fighters would be at a serious disadvantage too, considering Robotnik can send legions of SWATbots to go look for the Emeralds and still have plenty to spare for defending Robotropolis. Knothole has a small population of desperate civilians, and someone's gotta perform manual upkeep of Knothole agriculture. The Wolf Pack is in roughly the same situation as Knothole, and the Lower Mobians are struggling enough just to survive power outages and RATbot swarms. I don't think it's necessary to bring up Ari/Pollo/Dirk/Slimy thing in Sub Sonic. The FF's simply couldn't find them before Robotnik.

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

Well, if we ever noticed anything about SEGA, it's that they continue to race a dead horse. And for some reason, it still makes them money. You think Sonic would know better than to "lose" the emeralds before every single game.

As for the chaos emeralds throwing off the whole plot of a SatAM, it would probably be easier to fit them in the show if there were not a whole SEVEN of them. I remember in the original game (Sonic 1) there were only six. But there would need to be only three or four emeralds to collect in order order to stray from boring repetition. Trying to fit all seven would be monotonous. We would be watching "Sonic and the Super Emeralds: part 5" with the same recycled plot from the first emerald copied and pasted to the fifth emerald, but only in a different location of Mobius, with STILL two or three more of the similarly plot structured episodes to go. * funstuff *

[Ratty Randnums]

LOL, that is why I stopped watching Pokemon long ago, because of the copying and pasting of the plot in EACH SEASON, but in a different location in the (insert moronic Japaneese sounding name here) region, with Team Rocket following Ash, can't Team Rocket just give up on Pikachu and get a REAL NON-POKEMON RELATED JOB? God, it's like everything in Ash's world has to do with Pokemon in it, even simple jobs like being a guy in a 5''x4'' cubicle in the tallest office building in (insert moronic name here) City have to involve the use of Pokemon. Any why arent there any REAL ANIMALS in the Pokemon world, like cats, dogs, ferrets, hedgehogs, foxes, squirrels, and even anthropomorphic blue hedgehogs that wear red shoes, have emerald eyes, a smile shaped like a Nike check, and run very fast?

I can't even imagine the 5TH GENERATION!

Team Rocket was the only thing that was ever any good about that show, I made a good sized post about it on the old board once IIR,

About how Meowth is a tragic Pinnochio figure (he taught himself how to speak in an attempt to impress another Meowth- who wanted a human romantically, but was particularly cruel in her rejection of him after he learned to talk) so that he's an outcaste and doesn't fit in either society, taking out his rage by literally helping to enslave his brethren. He is, like the rest of Team Rocket (Jessie was utterly destitute as a child, and James's family was well to do but very distant) effectively innocent (though not from lack of trying) and both a tragic and comedic figure. Far more interesting than the generic main characters,
and as I said not bad for what is basically a commercial thinly disguised as a show.

Oh still don't believe that they're the best characters? Well I gots da proofs.

Also why not ask why every applience/ect. in the Flintstones involves dinosaurs, that's just how they create the illusion of variety/fantasy, though no doubt if real animals had such powers we would have utilized them.
And their aren't any real animals because why would there be? That's the whole point of the thing, instead of animals, they have pocket monsters. (plus Pokemon would have totally pwned them when it comes to survival of the most adaptable.... I just officially thought about this too much)

[BigWigRah]

yeah, we know the red eyes belonged to Naugus, but it wasn't exactly thrilling in my opinion.

i'm not a fan of Jason Griffith either, but i'm not sure death is the option. I liked Ryan Drummond, but even he wasn't that great in Sonic Adventures. Sure, he was much MUCH better in SA2, but so much more can be done with Sonic's voice. I vote new blood.

If they brought in knuckles, it would mean bringing in the master emerald, and then more chaos emeralds, and a convoluted plot explaining how they all work....sigh.

The chaos emeralds are the most insane plot device ever. All in all, they serve the same purpose as the briefcase in Pulp Fiction, motivation for the characters to act. I'm honestly surprised at how many things they've been getting the chaos emeralds to do over the past few games. First Chaos eats them, Tikal "lives" in the M.E, they power up Sonic/Shadow/Eclipse Cannon/Tornado. They allow Shadow to teleport. It's like they don't have any parameters at all as to what they can do.

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

Yeah, in my opinion, there needs to be SOME parameters on the Chaos Emeralds. Or at least an explanation as to why that can do anything. Maybe they're like genies who grant whatever wish the user has.

Example: Does Sonic CHOOSE to be Super Sonic rather than teleporting like Shadow does? And therefore WISH that over teleporting?

[SBaby]

There could always be strings attached.

I could see them only being usable once in awhile, or possibly doing damage to the user each time they're used. one of my ideas was to have them drain the life energy from the user each time they were used. They'd give the boost, but it would be taxing on the user.

[Mithrandir]

The thing about the emeralds is that, in old school Sonic, they never played THAT key a role. Robotnik was doing his thing, emeralds or no emeralds. They only became a plot point in Sonic 3, and even there, they didn't play any role until late in Sonic and Knuckles.

But since then, the emeralds have become that thing that all franchises should avoid at all cost: a storytelling crutch. Bad guys want power? Well, clearly, they should be going after the emeralds! The world is in peril? Gather the emeralds! Blah, blah, blah, it gets old.

It's a fine thing to do once in awhile, but overuse makes it a complete crutch and an excuse to not give characters any depth to their actions beyond "ME WANT CHAOS EMERALD."

So I'm board with the people who think that, if the emeralds were ever introduced in a SatAM setting, they need to come with some kind of caveat, such as in the UK Sonic, where Super Sonic is actually an evil bastard, or the one that gets thrown around here a lot, that anybody who uses them does so at the risk of their own lives due to the power the emeralds exude.

Otherwise, they become both a crutch and a deus ex machina.

[Gojira007]

I personally like the idea of Psycho-Super Sonic myself, but there's another idea I've grown rather attached to recently: that using the Chaos Emeralds is dangerous not only to the user, but to the whole planet.

Remember, the Emeralds are clearly meant to be a part of the natural order of things in the games; futzing around with that kind of power could thus have some serious reprecussions for the stability of the planet they're a part of, don't you think?

[Razgrizblaze1]

I personally like the idea of Psycho-Super Sonic myself, but there's another idea I've grown rather attached to recently: that using the Chaos Emeralds is dangerous not only to the user, but to the whole planet.

Remember, the Emeralds are clearly meant to be a part of the natural order of things in the games; futzing around with that kind of power could thus have some serious reprecussions for the stability of the planet they're a part of, don't you think?

This coming from the writer of the s3ason comic. (*hint hint*[?]) But seriously, if one wants to use the chaos emeralds as any form of plot device, it must be balanced with a downside. There is no gain without loss and the fact that the chaos emeralds acted as a source of limitless power without so much as a flip side to their usage really ticks me off. The chaos emeralds need balance!!!

[Gojira007]

This coming from the writer of the s3ason comic. (*hint hint*[?])

Mayyyyyyyyyybe...:3