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@  Ishapar : (23 May 2019 - 12:27 PM)

I know I haven't been around for awhile, but what did I miss? You guys started a patreon for Season 3?

@  ShenFNWoo : (23 May 2019 - 06:42 AM)

Don't worry, I gotcha fam 8-)

@  ShenFNWoo : (23 May 2019 - 06:42 AM)

Or is what happened the reason why it's usually dead around here? Zoom view past the incoming thunderstorm to make out microscopic details on the surface of the moon, when there's plenty of opportunity to notice both?

@  ShenFNWoo : (23 May 2019 - 06:39 AM)

@Kef, I'm reading context clues. That's how I know you're not interested. I can feel the low key disrespect from orbit

 

https://youtu.be/5EVCTpWTwEU?t=225

@  nzoomed : (23 May 2019 - 02:17 AM)

@ furrykef Good pointing that out on the cel, i see what you mean after looking at the intro. Its very possible this was an early concept cel and was scrapped. Possible also that they had decided to give her more prominent robotic legs early in the characters design perhaps?

@  randomizer : (23 May 2019 - 02:17 AM)

Satam is full of animation errors. This is one of my favourites: https://i.imgur.com/aYo73nh.jpg

@  Shadow : (23 May 2019 - 02:04 AM)

Their was a lot of color problems if you ever pause the frames of episodes.

@  furrykef : (22 May 2019 - 10:02 PM)

Okay, I just had a real close look at the intro. Bunnie holds that pose for two frames. In the first, Sonic's in front of one thigh and the other thigh is colored correctly (gray). In the second frame, Sonic covers both thighs. But I looked real close and I noticed in the first frame you do get a glimpse of Bunnie's hidden thigh... and it's brown. So I think the gray thigh was a separate cel that was overlaid to correct the colors, or it was corrected in postproduction.

@  furrykef : (22 May 2019 - 09:37 PM)

I mean, this is DiC we're talking about. We've all seen what kind of stuff has slipped through the cracks in their cartoons...

@  furrykef : (22 May 2019 - 09:36 PM)

That doesn't necessarily mean the cel is fake, but it does make me wonder. Maybe this was an animation error that got caught before they put the show on the air.

@  furrykef : (22 May 2019 - 09:34 PM)

As for the Bunnie cel, her thighs are colored brown like her fur instead of the robotic gray. The issue is on both sides of the cel.

@  furrykef : (22 May 2019 - 09:32 PM)

When did I say I was not interested?

@  Shadow : (22 May 2019 - 09:16 PM)

I'm not interested in being any kind of moderator and would rather just be a casual person to chit chat on there.

@  Wulfsbane : (22 May 2019 - 07:25 PM)

I know most, if not all of us, will act like adults but with a public server there's gonna be people, whether it's teens or adults, that don't act like the way they should.

@  Wulfsbane : (22 May 2019 - 07:23 PM)

As for rules, I don't think they should be totally laxed, at least at the start. Not saying they should be strict either. Just have enough that could be eased once the rhythm and flow of the server is established and can see how things will go

@  Wulfsbane : (22 May 2019 - 07:22 PM)

I think chief should be the one to set up the discord. I mean if there's gonna be a FUS server, it might as well be admin'd by the guy who owns the place

@  ShenFNWoo : (22 May 2019 - 07:03 PM)

Kef's not interested.

@  Shadow : (22 May 2019 - 06:58 PM)

How about Kef be admin?

@  nzoomed : (22 May 2019 - 05:06 PM)

and a discord channel sounds awesome

@  nzoomed : (22 May 2019 - 05:02 PM)

@furrykef I cant see any thing wrong with her legs. Are you sure you are not looking at the photo of the reverse side of the cel?


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Relating Songs To Satam


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#1 Koreth

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Posted A week ago

This may have been covered in a previous thread, but the notion is fresh in my mind, and many threads in this section are over a year old. Plus a great many songs have been newly released since the last time this topic was discussed.

 

This could be any song, and any relation you can come up with to SatAM, whether it's something simple, like the overal vibe of a song reminding you of a particular SatAM scene, or something as complex as being able to envision a complete music video that thematically works with SatAM, or anything between.

 

I'll start us off with "Doomed", by A Perfect Circle.

 

Youtube link:

 

Now, from the lyrics, it is pretty clearly a politically motivated middle finger. This isn't the debate forum so take all that, and throw it away. Cast the politics from your mind, and focus more on the vibe of the lyrics and how they fit with the song's dynamics and arrangement.

 

What I get from the song is an overall general vibe of Robotnik Triumphant.

 

But let's have some fun with this, and expand that. Imagine some scenes, some imagery to play in your head. Here's what I came up with last night. There's some influence here from Blast to the Past, and some stuff I just made up because I though it was cool.

 

Timestamps will be in the form of [1:23]. Lyrics will be "in quotes". (Descriptions of the music will be in parentheses). General imagery description will be just plain text. This isn't enough to do a complete music video storyboard, but it is what I could come up with that feels like an appropriate visual for the part of the song mentioned.

 

[0:26] (The drum solo goes from reverb-washed backround sound to a dry kick-based fill right in your face) A mobian wearing a uniform appropriate to a high ranking military official or trusted advisor, looking at his computer screen, gets that look of a dawning realization of "oh shit", as he realizes what he is seeing, and dashes of away from his desk, out of his room and into the adjacent hallway in a panicked, ungraceful scramble, taking off into a a sprint towards the camera, to the confused looks of those passing by. The hallway is one of the regal hallways of the palace.

 

[0:30] "Behold a new Christ." Scene cut to a darker room. Julian is now in his Robotnik outfit, donning his yellow cape.

[0:33] "Behold the same old horde." Pan to snively, who is installing an arm-mount laster cannon on one of the Peace Bots. Robotnik walks out of that room into another where we see ranks of PeaceSWATBots standing ready.

 

[0:43] "And the word was 'Death'. And the word was without light". Cut scene to a room becoming illuminated by flourescents  flickering to life and casting a sickly glow upon the roboticizer. PeaceBots can be seen working the control pannel, and the roboticizer begins to glow slightly as it powers up.

 

[0:56] (from after the first "You're on your own," a percussive instrument plays the E minor motif that we'll hear throughout the rest of the song) The high-rank uniformed mobian we saw before desperately is sprinting down the hallway on the approach to the throne room where King acorn is seeing Uncle Chuck, Sonic and Sally, Hollywood slowmo style. As he bursts into the antechamber where Sonic and Sally were waiting not to long ago,  He's ambushed by SWATBots, and knocked out by a stun before he reaches the other pair of doors. which brings us to...

 

[1:07] (guitar feedback squeal and the guitars return) Cut to the streets of Mobotropolis. All the mobians are fleeing in a blind panic in the streets, as the SWATBots collect them up.

 

[1:24] (The lyrics repeat a corrupted form of the Beatitudes from Matthew 5:3 in a call and response pattern, replacing the virtues from the original gospel with the seven deadly sins) "Blessed are the fornicates. May we bend down to be their whores..." Shots interspersed with Robotnik gloating in the throne room, and a scene with the roboticizer. The first line of a corrupted beatitude is the call, with the Robotnik shot. The response is the latter, where there's a line at the roboticizer of captured mobians, and a freshly roboticized mobian stepping off to join the other roboticized mobians. All of the roboticized mobians are repeating the response in unison. For each corrupted beatitude, the line of waiting mobians is shorter, and the number of roboticized mobians has increased. With the final beatitude, "Blessed are the gluttonous. May they feast us to famine and more," the final roboticized mobian is stepping off the roboticizer; no free mobians remain.

 

[1:51] (The song goes quiet, with just piano and some chimes playing) "What of the pious, the pure of heart, the peaceful..." Cut back to the streets of mobotropolis. We see a a white fox woman with a similarly colored child of age maybe 5-7 in her arms, running around a corner into an alley, and finding something to hide behind; she must have escaped the first wave of captures. "What of the meek, the mourning, and the merciful" She sets the child down and tries to silence and comfort him, finally hugging him tight. "All doomed..." shot cuts to above view, zooming out so you can see SWATBots rounding people up in the adjacent street, and a couple SWATBots closing on FoxMom's hiding place. "...all doomed." Scene cuts back to FoxMom and her child, a shadow falling across them gets her attention. She and the child look up fearfully, scene zooms out to bring the SWATBots arresting them into frame.

 

[2:29] (Bass and drums return to bring the pace of the song back up.) Fade to pan shots of Mobotropolis Robotropolis, now a polluted industrial city.

 

[2:45] "Behold the new Christ. Behold the same old horde." Cut to scene of Robotnik overseeing something from a catwalk. Pan out to see the roboticized mobians working tireless in a factory, working on various parts of hover units, the chassis, the engines, control panels, the overhead laser cannons, etc. Through various transitions, we see the hover units in various stages of completion, through to hover units in flight...

 

[2:59] "And the word was Death" ...the hover units in flight are taking shots at fleeing freedom fighters much like the scene when the Freedom fighters return to Robotropolis in Sonic and Sally[1]. But this is not necessarily that scene.

 

[3:10] (and again we're back to a softer passage with just volcals chimes and piano) "What of the pious, the pure of heart, the peaceful? What of the meek, the mourning, and the merciful?" Fade to scene panning across a block of cells, containing captured freedom fighters awaiting robotization, each looking forlorn and despairing.

 

[3:24] (the kick drum starts back in to build tension) "What of the righteous, what of the charitble? what of the truthful..." An explosion from offscreen and all the cell doors unlatch. Some other freedom fighters run in, start pulling the others out of cells and hustling them along. Others get the idea and start fleeing on their own. One of the rescuers is staying behind,  doing that whirling arm motion of 'go, go, go!' to keep people moving as they escape..."What of the dutiful..." ...and then only starts running after them once the last rescuee is on his way. "...the decent?". (The song goes silent for a pregnant pause). But the group comes to a halt as they reach the end of the hallway. From the angle we see that they're looking up fearfully at something. Camera pans around behind and low to bring into frame the armed SWATBots with laser rifles at the ready.

 

[3:40] (Guitar resumes with a short solo before the main guitar riff and lyrics return). Cut A shot of Sonic's face, angrily defiant right before he launches. Shots cut between sonic running forward toward Robotniks' headquarters, with shots of activity around the roboticizer. For the former, as Sonic runs forward, the upper torso of Robotnik fades in over the sky, grinning down at him triumphantly.  For the latter, shots of SWATBots loading struggling mobians we can't see onto the plaform, first-person shots of being in the tube as it comes down, capacitor banks charging, etc.

 

[4:07] (Guitar feedback squeal) A triumphantly grinning Robotnik at the roboticizer control, throws the activate lever( in time with the snare hit that opens the next measure at [4:09]), cut to the roboticizer going active, there are four figures loaded therein.

 

[4:10] Cut back to sonic running towards Robotropolis HQ, and Robotnik grinning back at him from the sky. speaking the lyrics to Sonic. "Doomed are the poor!" A fully roboticized Bunnie appears to Robotnik's side. "Doomed are the peaceful!" A fully roboticized Rotor appears. "Doomed are the meek!" A fully robotic Antoine appears. "Doomed are the merciful!" And a fully roboticized Sally appears. Robotnik continues to address Sonic directly with the remainder of the lyrics while the roboticized freedom fighters fade from view. With the final "You're on your own!", cut to sonic sprinting off frame, hard cut to black as the music stops.

 

Yes, I totally did just feed you two hope spots in that sequence and then snatch them right back away from you. Were you expecting a happy ending? The song is called "The Doomed."

 

Comments? Criticisms?

 

Wanna take your own go at relating a song to SatAM?

 

1. https://youtu.be/s3J7yCKiLvs?t=899

 

 



#2 GamemasterAnthony

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Posted A week ago

How about a song that's a perfect theme for the Robians?

 

Three Days Grace - I Am Machine



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Posted A week ago

Pretty nice. I like how the fates of Sonic, Tails, Dulcy and Uncle Chuck are left up in the air.



#4 Koreth

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Posted A week ago

How about a song that's a perfect theme for the Robians?

 

Three Days Grace - I Am Machine

This one's been on the local radio plenty. I think it's appropriate from multiple angles. First, take the lyrics mostly literally. That describes the robians pretty well. Stepping back from a mostly literal reading of the lyrics, the take I get from it is a protest at the erosion of one's humanity and empathy. This is also appropriate. Recall the condition of the robians. They are aware of what's going on, but their bodies are no longer under their own control; they are prisoners therein. All the time spent in that state would easily drive the less strong ones mad, and they'd eventually lose their sense of who they are or were, and come to outright identify with being a soulless machine. You could look at I am Machine being the internal protest of a robian who knows he's slipping towards that despair event horizon.



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Posted A week ago

I feel no explanation is necessary for this one:

 

A Robian battles to regain control:

 

What it's like being a Robian. A bit too steampunk-y maybe but I like it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H3Si26x-zk

 

If Metal Sonic had been introduced to the show, I'd want this to be his theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tF6T9zZn2Q

 

Just a cool track that would be good for a sneaky/actiony scene in Robotropolis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyGLK6HeXRA

 

The Freedom Fighters kick ass on a mission:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st6tv3yGIO8

 

Relating to the Coup of Mobotropolis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK90_YQzRwM

 

Same as above:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L_isSGyVqU

 

Metal Sonic sneaks up on you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBPQ1GGxck

 

The Freedom Fighters resolved:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFF7FKS9Exc

 

No explanation necessary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ePO5LcN2BU

 

There were warning signs before the coup. But nobody listened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJEA0RlVUsI

 

 

EDIT: Edited to add descriptions.



#6 Koreth

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Posted A week ago

That's a good many videos. What's your take on why they relate to SatAM and howso? Just titles? A straight reading of the lyrics? Reading between the lines of the lyrics? The emotional vibe you get from the arrangement?




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