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#1 DotNetDemon

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 06:36 AM

Hi folks--

 

I know I've been AWOL for awhile (work, starting a business, broke up with girlfriend, and I bought a house!), but I"m back with a new fresh set of potential debating material.

 

How have you been affected by Obamacare? Personally, it hasn't done much to me (yet) except raise my deductible by 20%. For those who don't understand insurance, a deductible is the amount you have to pay out of pocket before the insurance kicks in. Thankfully my employer covers my premium. My mom works part-time at K-mart to supplement her Social Security--they booted her off of their (already pitiful) employee plan and told her to go get on the exchange. She decided that she would just hold out till Medicaid next year.

 

I'll post some more observations later, especially about the exchange website fiasco. Until then, let's hear your thoughts.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:50 AM

Very, very negatively.

 

 My brother has nocturnal epilepsy and his insurance premiums are getting thrashed by all this clumsy, unconstitutional policy. Obamacare is a huge threat to his very life, and being on the stuff would hinder his wellbeing and make his medicine inaccessible anyways.  The problem about putting everyone on this glorified welfare is that it takes the welfare away from those who truly need it. Now we are going to have a bunch of welfare queens sapping the already now non-existent funds for a medicine that keeps my brother from withdrawing  into a seizure that probably won't stop now without it...

 

There was recently an incident with 65 people on the White House Mall for protesting pressing issues similar to this, they were not heard... they were arrested.

 

 Let's just face it, this was "passed" by a fy by night session of congress when half the people in were going out and had nothing loose in anyways. It is unconstitutional to the core, punishing people for being independent and suckling on the teet of the government No taxation without representation? 

 

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Not for this old Obamanik.

 

 For all you guys who voted for King Obama I to replace King George the III...my little brother says thanks.

 

  Obama manipulated uncritical people with buzzwords and hollow concepts to get into office. "Hope" and "change" are meaningless terms without academic clarification and proper execution. If people just asked questions like "What the hell do you mean by change, what are you changing, and how does it benefit America?" We'd might have someone a bit more competent in the Whitehouse.   

 

 He is indeed a stubborn anti-colonial ideologue with a whole lot of personal baggage that deludes his sense of policy. Those are most volatile of politicians (IRS scamming religious charities and conservatives, Gaza, and a foul-mouthed sycophant for a vice-president show how inept and ideologically bankrupt his current administration is). He has no idea of economic, social, and political consequences. Overall, he can't see the world for what it is, but what he wants it to be...so much danger in that. Just look at the one example I gave you.

 

I am a CLS (a community living service employee) who works with the disabled so they can achieve independence when it comes to basic life skills; my current client needs the social-safety net because he has special needs. When that social security is divided up into nothing, he and various others like him might not have the needed resources to survive or thrive. His yearly budget is already in danger... Instead, people who are perfectly capable of getting healthcare (or at least save some money in an emergency budget like I do - seriously do this, you will be doing yourself a favor) won't be getting it. Also, when some idiot gets drunk and crashes his car, knocks someone up, or gets an STD - guess who is paying the medical bill, us. When we are busy sharing wealth in a consumerist culture, it quickly becomes consumed. The individuals must produce capital by his works for the community, if he wishes to prosper.

 

 To put it simply: If you are capable, if you don't work you don't eat. If you are not we invest to make you eventually capable to do so and make an overall profit...not spoon-feed you for the rest of your lazy life (*stares angrily at a prison*). 

 

 I'd encourage willful charity and social policy that supports altruistism and philanthropy over a forced mass-socialism any day. Sad thing about Obama's welfare policies is that they don't fare well for those who actually need it, the elderly and the otherwise disabled. Not to mention the demands on small business insurance wise from these policies are atrocious and thus will increase the corportavistic divide of big business and the common man that we see here in America.

 

 Nothing is ever free... And with how wantonly our bureaucrats spend money nowadays (Check our debts recently? You know we are going to have to pay them someday.) I fear that for all it guilded superficiality that the policies are hollow and the rising debt from such spending will ultimately collapse on the back of our posterity. Not mention if the government is powerful enough to meddle in your health-care affairs and a sea of bureaucrats is between you and your doctor, well are you truly as free of your own affairs as you once were? What happens when you have become dependent on something, and it gets taken away? 

 

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson

 

 



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:45 AM

I haven't per say but my work has. Every customer effected by it, good or otherwise is either buying less or more respectively.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 01:29 PM

I cannot say that Obamacare has been the direct cause of my insurance woes, but here is how things have changed for my insurance policies.

 

Old plan for a family had a $300 family ($150/person) deductible with $1500 max out of pocket and (if I recall) about $150/mo premium.

 

New plans are a tiered system: the higher your pay, the more you pay. The plan I have been using (1 of 4) is an high deductible plan. It has a premium of $160/mo, a max out of pocket of $9000 and a deductible of $3400. (The other three plans divide up the costs differently, but they total up to be nearly the same.)


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 03:46 PM

..I get free health care.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 04:57 PM

..I get free health care.

 

Well yes you're a Canadian :biggrin: I've always wanted to ask chief, how has your experiences been with your country's healthcare system? I've only watched videos and read articles from both sides online and take everything with a grain of salt. Are there limitations of the universal healthcare system that you've seen or know about?



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 05:24 PM

All in all it works quite well.  America is one of the only 1st world countries without some form of universal health care.

 

The system in Canada needs to be rebuilt somewhat.  It has its issues mostly because the baby boomers are getting old now.  And there are a shit ton of them.  So the system gets packed in some areas and you get put on a waiting list.  However those are for non life threatening things and so on.

Take for example my neighbor across the street.  Old Italian guy,stubborn of course.  Anyways on to the story.  He started feeling pain in his chest and..after ignoring it long enough he went to the doctor..Got a CT Scan..then got rushed to the city to get another done...Turned out he had cancer all throughout his body.  Uh... Nothing the doctors could do, so he came home and died a week or so after...Last Friday actually.    Now that isn't good but it show that as soon as its something life threatening the system goes full force and you jump ahead of those who can wait.

 

Ive had a few operations in my day.. a few serious and a few minor.  The minor ones I had to wait  few months for..The major ones, same day surgery.  Go in, find issue, surgery.

 

 

To my point in all of this I guess... I enjoy paying for everything in my taxes.  I like the fact that anyone can go to the hospital and get the exact same treatment, and anything major does get resolved right away.  

 

Every time I see a big news story over something it is always a single story that gets blown up and dissected.  Things happen and of course the news or people against it jump on that. 

 

And as for limitations?  No.  



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 05:35 PM

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:24 PM

The system in Canada needs to be rebuilt somewhat.  It has its issues mostly because the baby boomers are getting old now.  And there are a shit ton of them.  So the system gets packed in some areas and you get put on a waiting list.  However those are for non life threatening things and so on.

 

I think that's the major issue down here as well. Unfortunately, the supplemental government-backed insurance (Medicare) that is meant for these folks is due to run out in 2026. My father will be 79 years old by then, but luckily he's a disabled veteran, so he gets his care through the Veterans Affairs hospitals and clinics. The problem there is that they are constantly understaffed and never get enough money to expand to support all those who come. Mom will be on Medicare, though, and the government has been raiding that cookie jar (along with Social Security) hoping nobody would notice. Another thing I've noticed is that people are filling up the emergency rooms with silly things. I once sliced my arm with two nice gashes down to the fatty tissue (don't worry, I'm on different meds now) and found myself sitting in the ER waiting room with a t-shirt wrapped around it. I had to wait for someone to be administered Tylenol for their fever and told to go home before I was allowed back where I got to sit on a bench and wait for the doctor. I guess unless you're carted in on a gurney it wouldn't matter if I was carrying in my ass cheeks under each arm.

 

Now, onto the debate...

 

Let me dive into a little history that I learned through my research and understanding of how the U.S. got into this mess in the first place. Then I'll discuss why I don't think universal healthcare would work under the U.S. model, at least not without a few major renovations and housekeeping. If I get anything wrong, please add corrections and call me a "stupid shit-for-brains jackass" (like my ex-wife does, that bitch) or if you need clarification, feel free to ask.

 

The whole idea of insurance is not new, obviously. In the old days, prior to WW II, though, most doctors and hospitals worked on a cash basis. I imagine pricing was strictly on a demand/supply model. I also remember my father talking about how doctors would work for free since everyone was so freaking poor (my family is from the western part of North Carolina; Dad was born in 1947, always said his family and neighbors lived like they were in the 19th century and didn't live in a house that had indoor plumbing until he was about eight). When WW II came about and people were signing up to go abroad, there was a small problem. Wage freezes were put in place to keep employers from poaching people that were originally thinking about going into service. This created a labor shortage at home (this is where the women came in, but that's another topic). To compensate, employers started offering health insurance as part of the compensation package to its workers. This, and the introduction of Social Security Insurance, was the introduction.

 

In the United States, insurance companies are not allowed to operate across state lines, meaning that whatever state they are in incorporated in, they're "stuck" there. I think the original intent was to allow states to manage the rules for the insurance market, because if you're allowed to operate across the lines and cause a big stink, who is responsible for regulating that? So what happens is insurance companies set up shell companies in each state called "administrators." This sets up a two-fold problem:

 

1) If the state requires certain coverage, the carrier (insurance company) may not want to go that route, hence not set up shop in that state, and:

 

2) Different prices for people with "identical" backgrounds based on their location.

 

This is why there is supplemental insurance for people on Medicaid (Medicaid and Medicare are supposed to just cover the very least across-the-board necessities; Medicare is government-backed supplemental insurance for low-income families). Because of these stringent limitations, competition is severely limited, creating oligopolies. I'm not going to lie and say that there isn't some collusion going on behind closed doors. Now, because Medicare and Medicaid are funded by the government, they aren't exactly in a position to be as fluid as a private corporation is in terms of cost control and raising funds. That being said, they publish to each hospital/clinic how much they are willing to pay for a certain procedure. Now, take a guess where the hospital/clinic is going to look to help offset the difference since the government pays so little? You got it: people with insurance. This is why a lot of government-run hospitals (county and state) often shut down: there just simply isn't enough insurance folks to help offset the cost to keep the doors open. To make matters worse, insurance companies, in order to stay solvent, also often negotiate prices with the healthcare providers. For people that are without insurance, one of two things happen:

 

1) The hospital, through the aid of a social worker, signs the individual up for Medicare/Medicaid (whatever they fall under), or, if they do not meet the qualifications for either:

 

2) Are put upon a payment plan with the hospital.

 

A few months ago I read about the increasing support of "cash-only" doctor's offices and clinics, including surgical. By bypassing insurance altogether, people were able to shop around for the lowest-cost provider, using what money they would spend on premiums and deductibles and getting treatment. For a long time, this was how I operated before I went to university and got a job that had insurance. Prior to that I worked in retail (this was 2001-2005) and paid cash for any medical treatment that I needed.

 

However, it seems that Obama and his associates wanted to eliminate that with the advent of "Obamacare" in that you are charged a tax if you fail to maintain insurance.

 

The idea of Obamacare is just like the idea of Social Security Insurance. SSI was to allow older folks to leave the workforce and not starve to death and would be funded by the younger working class paying into it, creating a cycle. In other words, money that is supposed to be there for those who draw wages legally (not under the table) are intended to be able to draw from the fund upon retirement in conjunction with any retirement fund that they have. Oh yes, if you think that you have a right to your Social Security payments, think again. In this case, younger folks purchase plans through the exchanges that do not have a plan through their employer. Because younger people are less prone to need long-term care like the older folks, the money they put in is used to support those who are utilizing the system now. At least, that's what I and several others have deduced.

 

Make no mistake: this was a law written by the insurance companies for the insurance companies. By forcing people to purchase insurance, it has created an instant demand market for the insurance companies. At least, that's what the government and those who wrote it may be banking on. The fact of the matter is that many people may balk at the high premiums, even higher deductibles, and just choose to pay the tax instead.

 

Now, for why I don't think universal, government-funded healthcare could work in the U.S. is simple: elected leaders here have the Midas touch of Shit. That is, everything they get their hands on turns into a big, steaming pile of shit. Take the postal service: it's an entity that is run like a business, yet it cannot make business decisions without congressional approval. The last time I saw congress move at any pace is when they're voting to give themselves raises (or shoving bills up our asses saying "You have to pass it to see what's in it!"). I just feel that because of this, a truly socialistic healthcare model is not feasible. Now, if it were implemented at the state level, there might be hope for that. State governments have a lot more sudden-impact, especially when someone screws up.

 

My overall opinion is this: I think a great way to reduce healthcare costs is to give people an incentive to help others. I know that sounds mean, but let's face it: people are naturally selfish. I propose that we Americans do what a lot of states do to fund their education: lotteries. The money these things raise in a hurry are astronomical. While it may or may not work, at least it's something! And I didn't need sixteen days to come up with it, either.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:33 PM

America needs a British or a Canadian system


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:20 PM

America needs a British or a Canadian system

 

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." ¬Thomas Jefferson

 

You ever read Animal Farm?

 

I disagree. I think we are too big and diverse for any Brittish economic ideas and that federalization could be real, real bad. Giving represenatives (some of which like Romney for example, already own millions and three friggen houses) to much power over our wealth. They already are three steps from oligarchy anyways with the ridiculous amount of terms they can have and deep pockets, why give them more incentive? Europe isn't in great shape anyways economicaly right now, the whole western world is in a jam. We consume more than we produce, and it's starting to show (oil anyone?). Socialism comibined with consumerism isn't going to help that. Captitalism and deregulation will encourage inovation (after it was traditional capitalism that got us where we are today, heck even Marx - a lazy fool that didn't even work to feed his kids but sure did knock up his servant girl - smoozed Ingles captialist-gained wealth to disminate his Manifesto and do research (which he was cuaght fudging). and the ethos of our people is just too different. And Canada's helthcare isn't as free as people play it off to be... And remember we aren't Canada they have only 34 mil to worry about we have nearly 317 million and our unique problems.

 

 I think the less goverment the better. We should be focusing on the moral development of individuals and instilling a sense of critical thinking about all the aspects of their lives an abadonment of egocentric indvidualism to a pepole of Christ's golden-rule. The better choices we make the better the economy we will have, the better economy we have the happier we all are. We're all in this together. America needs revival not politcs. 

 

I strive to live this in my own life and has done much good and no harm. Why would I abadon it on such an inane gambit?

 

Again let me qoute Jefferson: "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:26 PM

We need to hand out about 600 "Pink Slips" in DC


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“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:48 PM

I have a question. If "Obamacare" is such a sellout to the insurance companies, then why are the insurance companies fighting against it with every fiber of their being?

 

Explain THAT one to me.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:55 PM

I have a question. If "Obamacare" is such a sellout to the insurance companies, then why are the insurance companies fighting against it with every fiber of their being?

 

Explain THAT one to me.

 

I have always been under the impression that they are a giant risk to the people in that business, in fact Obama's plans have left a lot family's jobless because of it... I have seen one guy put him on the spot because of such.

 

 I'm with Ben. Forget washington, though, as for me I'm starting with the man in the mirror. Just because congress can't do anything right, doesn't mean I ought to be the same way.

 

 I recommend you guys all do the same. Just be wise with your money, your love life, your family, and your favorite habits, don't let good things become ultimate things. For when good things like money (which is good, the "love of money it root of all evil" not money itself ) become you prime concern  they become a bad thing (that's why they it's called perversion).  Matthew 6:33.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:03 PM

 

I have a question. If "Obamacare" is such a sellout to the insurance companies, then why are the insurance companies fighting against it with every fiber of their being?

 

Explain THAT one to me.

 

I have always been under the impression that they are a giant risk to the people in that business, in fact Obama's plans have left a lot family's jobless because of it... I have seen one guy put him on the spot because of such.

 

 I'm with Ben. Forget washington, though, as for me I'm starting with the man in the mirror. Just because congress can't do anything right, doesn't mean I ought to be the same way.

 

 I recommend you guys all do the same. Just be wise with your money, your love life, your family, and your favorite habits, don't let good things become ultimate things. For when good things like money (which is good, the "love of money it root of all evil" not money itself ) become you prime concern  they become a bad thing (that's why they it's called perversion).  Matthew 6:33.

 

I wasn't talking about other businesses. Why are the INSURANCE companies against this? Why would insurance companies oppose something that would likely have them generate MORE customers (otherwise said customers would have to pay more in taxes)? And how is that socialism? How does forcing people into the PRIVATE healthcare sector resemble socialism at all?

 

How is this any different from Social Security? I mean really?


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:27 PM

 

 

I have a question. If "Obamacare" is such a sellout to the insurance companies, then why are the insurance companies fighting against it with every fiber of their being?

 

Explain THAT one to me.

 

I have always been under the impression that they are a giant risk to the people in that business, in fact Obama's plans have left a lot family's jobless because of it... I have seen one guy put him on the spot because of such.

 

 I'm with Ben. Forget washington, though, as for me I'm starting with the man in the mirror. Just because congress can't do anything right, doesn't mean I ought to be the same way.

 

 I recommend you guys all do the same. Just be wise with your money, your love life, your family, and your favorite habits, don't let good things become ultimate things. For when good things like money (which is good, the "love of money it root of all evil" not money itself ) become you prime concern  they become a bad thing (that's why they it's called perversion).  Matthew 6:33.

 

I wasn't talking about other businesses. Why are the INSURANCE companies against this? Why would insurance companies oppose something that would likely have them generate MORE customers (otherwise said customers would have to pay more in taxes)? And how is that socialism? How does forcing people into the PRIVATE healthcare sector resemble socialism at all?

 

How is this any different from Social Security? I mean really?

 

 

  Social Security is a wash, man. It's panning as time goes by. I for one am already saving for my retirement (and have an emergency fund for my own health) and have no plans to depend on goverment hand-outs. The only form I know that works is the small investment version that takes cuts away from your gross-check that you earned by yourself and are alone responsible for, it more like a personal saving's account if anything. But note that's self-contained and thus not socialistic. In that system you aren't paying for Billy Joe Jim Bob's new liver transplant after he selfishly drunk a whole ocean of Milwakee's Best with his kid's food stamp money. Also, don't forget forcing people support certain aspects of healthcare is morally atrocious as well. Look at when Obama tried force the Catholic Hospitals to deal out contraceptives, even though it clearly goes against their doctrines in the Humanae Viatae. That was an example a member of goverment forcing it's morals on a whole group and infringing on their First Amendment rights.  Though I am protestant and don't follow that papal edict (sola scriptura all the way I say)  I find people sticking their greasy fingers up other people's wallets to support things that they vehemnently are against is wrong or at least find questionable is a violation of their constitutional rights. Look, America has been guilty of bad medical choices before in Buck vs. Bell in 1927 skeptic irreligionist Supreme Court "Justice" Oliver Wendell Holmes helped coax the rest of the court 8-1 in a forced "sterlization" (buthchering a woman's cervics) of woman the deemed unfit to breed. He justified this saying "Three Generations of Imbeciles is enough." When we give a handful of people power over our healthcare we could easily step into some dark malthusian/eugenist territory we have before. In fact we do today, Planned Parenthood preys on minorities and "abnormal" people all the time (56 million since Roe vs. Wade, 16 times more dead than the holocuast, 98% was done for "fiscal/social reasons"). Creeps Margaret Sanger helped fuel the Nazi mindset that took the westerm world by storm in the 1930's . How easy would it be for people in power to excercise this legislation to such dark idealogicaly-narrow ends. 



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 04:46 AM

also Social Secutiry was a way to raise money as no one lived past 65 (or 95% of the people didnt) back in the Depression era


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 05:41 AM

Man, I need to go get some coffee and roll up my sleeves.

 

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I think the reason the insurance companies were causing a big stink is the same reason oil companies give money to Democrats (see Campaign Contributions 101: Role of big oil companies in campaign funding): it's a game of "cops and robbers" where the winner is always going to be those on top (the companies and politicians) while the ones on the bottom are going to get hosed. Consider this using the oil example: if 90% of all Democrat senators and representatives publicly oppose obscene profits and price fixing by the oil companies, why would the oil companies give them any money to begin with? It all has to do with the attitude that both entities (the company and the elected officials) have against the constituents. The idea is that we're all sheep and that they are all wolves; in the sense that voters will believe any facade you put in front of them (unfortunately this is true for a lot of people). Large companies don't mind being painted evil because of their position in the market--if you control more than 50% of the market total, does it really matter what the people think? Not really. What matters is keeping those who can directly affect your business--through regulations--in business as well. Taxes do not matter as they are simply passed down to the consumer.

 

In the case of insurance companies, the vocal opposition is merely a red herring. They need to look like the bad guy in order to make the elected officials that support Obamacare look like heroes and therefore keep them in office. It's this mutual understanding and exchange of benefits (through the use of campaign contributions, promised positions at the company, etc.) that keep us voters in line.

 

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That's great that you are saving for your retirement and health. I recommend stockpiling as much cash as you can into interest bearing accounts, especially as food prices continue to rise. Soon it may be a choice between "Can I go to the doctor?" and "Can I get something to eat?"

 

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That is something I forgot about Social Security (the age thing). Indeed, I don't think they figured the lifespan of folks would continue to the point we have these days. There is also the problem of immigration reform which is speculated to cost the already strained SSI program billions.



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:24 AM

I have another question. How can this negatively affect anyone if it hasn't gone into effect yet?

 

Sure, things may not be perfect, but who is to say it cannot be modified down the road later? I think that would be best.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:58 AM

Man, I need to go get some coffee and roll up my sleeves.

 

To Louis

I think the reason the insurance companies were causing a big stink is the same reason oil companies give money to Democrats (see Campaign Contributions 101: Role of big oil companies in campaign funding): it's a game of "cops and robbers" where the winner is always going to be those on top (the companies and politicians) while the ones on the bottom are going to get hosed. Consider this using the oil example: if 90% of all Democrat senators and representatives publicly oppose obscene profits and price fixing by the oil companies, why would the oil companies give them any money to begin with? It all has to do with the attitude that both entities (the company and the elected officials) have against the constituents. The idea is that we're all sheep and that they are all wolves; in the sense that voters will believe any facade you put in front of them (unfortunately this is true for a lot of people). Large companies don't mind being painted evil because of their position in the market--if you control more than 50% of the market total, does it really matter what the people think? Not really. What matters is keeping those who can directly affect your business--through regulations--in business as well. Taxes do not matter as they are simply passed down to the consumer.

 

In the case of insurance companies, the vocal opposition is merely a red herring. They need to look like the bad guy in order to make the elected officials that support Obamacare look like heroes and therefore keep them in office. It's this mutual understanding and exchange of benefits (through the use of campaign contributions, promised positions at the company, etc.) that keep us voters in line.

 

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That's great that you are saving for your retirement and health. I recommend stockpiling as much cash as you can into interest bearing accounts, especially as food prices continue to rise. Soon it may be a choice between "Can I go to the doctor?" and "Can I get something to eat?"

 

To Ben

That is something I forgot about Social Security (the age thing). Indeed, I don't think they figured the lifespan of folks would continue to the point we have these days. There is also the problem of immigration reform which is speculated to cost the already strained SSI program billions.

 

Thanks for the advice Demon. If I find you starving on street I'll "buy" you some can food - but you'll have to help clear out all the walkers from the Hardware store. Woodberry ain't gonna build itself you know.  *Puts on an eye patch*

 

 A big problem we could see going down is a form of stagnation in the markets as wealth that is horded. The more that happens the more a capitalist economy suffers. Captialism thrives on investment and if people aren't investing (especially burgeoning monopolies) we will see the downfall of the economy as a whole. The Depression had a huge impact in Amercia because we were hit from the top with Jazz Age Gatsbyesque louts living in lucher and hooch and not progressing the economy, and from the bottom up from a natrual hit to our agrarian markets via the Dust Bowl. With no wealth to cut from people as a whole, people's welfare will be one of the first things to go to maintain roads and essentials for the goverment to maintain order.

 

 Also humans are getting rapidly more healthy and we are making breakthoughs in hunting down the genes telomeres that are involved in aging. Many medical professionals forecast my genration (if it doesn't kill its self, like three of my graduating class already have, through horrible life choices) clean living Americans will live to 120. I think our ideas about retirement should be radically revised in preperation of such. In fact the concept of reitirement kind of grosses me out morally. It's like giving up and just waiting for death. No matter your age, you always have something worth while to do (like teaching, old people need to teach and speak publically about their life expereince, they have much to teach us). Hell make a hobby (pottery, painting, music) into a profit somehow. I would love to see some form of goverment program that helps people shut-in due age or physical disability help make some form of profit and service to the community. I know to many seniors that are just locked up in their homes with nothing fun or signifcant to do.

 

 IRS won't be ready to even manage Obama Care until late 2015. That's troublesome. I guess all that time spent witchhunting Jewish Charities, tea-partiers, and Christians, was more important than our nation's health. *Claps his hands* Who knew that sepration of church and state had become such a double standard.




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