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#61 furrykef

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Posted 13 March 2016 - 10:53 PM

I mean, it's impossible to remove a quote tag inside the text box without removing the entire quote

 

I don't understand what problem you're having here.



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Posted 14 March 2016 - 08:30 AM

 

Yet we still credit the original Creators of characters such as Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Wolverine....by the way, none of those are the original of their universe.  Detective Comics existed long before Batman, and Wolverine was a Hulk character originally.  Believe it or not Spider-Man/Peter Parker wasn't even the first character from his series.  Uncle Ben and Aunt May are a few issues ahead of him.  Yet we still give their creators credit for the characters.  It doesn't mater if it's based on someone else's work or not.  

 

I mean look at the creators of the Batman Animated Series.  They get credited for the entire DCAU, and yet hardly any of it really belongs to them.  It's all based on someone else's works.

 

I don't think we're debating the same thing in this particular paragraph.  Crediting the actual creators for their actual creations is not an issue.  My problem comes in when they think that they can sue for something based on it being similar, but not outright ripped off.  You want to see something that seems like a ripp off, look not further than Guilty Gear's Baiken.  The creator specifically said that he once thought that Rourouni Kenshin was a girl at first, which then begs the question, "so why did you make a female character that looks so similar"?  I dont' think he should credit the original creator, I just think he shouldn't have made the character at all, if they were both going to look so remarkably similar.  Where as in the case with Sol badguy being a combination of Sinousuke and Guts, there's at least no resemblence to either one of them at that point.

 

 

 

 

 

Nor does anyone give Master Roshi Credit for being the first Dragon Ball Character to go super.  

DBZ is not the only one to ever do Super Forms.  Heck Mythology has been doing Super Forms long before Manga was created.  Using Seven Magical Emeralds to increase ones power is hardly the same as just having another power level to transform into.  The only resemblance is the fact that Sonic turns Gold and his quills spike upward.

 

No, they're not, but they do have an iconic gimmick and that gimmick was directly lifted with Sonic.  Albeit it's acheived differently, there's enough resemblance there to draw the references.  7 dragon balls and 7 chaos emeralds.  They both grant the owner some sort of mystical power (you can simply wish to be a god and that's your super form right there).  And then yeah, the hair/quils.  Waaaay too similar, and pretty much grounds for copyright infringment if the owner ever wanted to go that route.

 

 

Derivative Work implies that 1) it was done with legal consent, and 2) Is a spin off of the previous work.

Sonic Chronicles is a Derivative of the Sonic games, but isn't of the comics.  That's where the whole issue spawns.  It is close, unnaturally close to storylines from the comics, including a Dark Brotherhood of Technologically advanced Echidnas and SWATBots.  Archie Comics did have a case, as the Game is really close to their ideas and storylines.  But that's the thing, Archie Comics had a case, not Penders.  Archie didn't care.  That's why Penders got mad at them.  And just because you have a case, doesn't mean you'll win.

Again, because Archie Comics had a case, Penders did not.  Penders didn't own the storylines or the characters or what not.  Even if he bought them later, it would be after the fact and thus he still wouldn't be wronged.

 

I think you're confusing legalese "derivative" from the more colloquial term of it.  Lifting directly from the source material with very little differentiating between the original and the new works and then claiming it as your own is actually grounds for infringement.  In this case, the stuff in Sonic Chronicles would have to contain expies that in no way shape or form attempt to deviate from the source material.  Unless someone's got examples of these completely similar expies and storylines that pretty much follow word for word, it's pretty safe to say they were within their legal right to make this game, without so much as mentioning a letter of Pender's name.  He does NOT have sole ownership of the concept of technologically advanced echidna's that come down in an empire strikes back fashion.  It's just too broad/general an idea.  It wouldn't matter if Archie backed him or not, they'd lose too.  Homages have been done before, without consent, and without credit, and then there's the concept of fair use to bring up as well.


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Posted 14 March 2016 - 09:19 PM

 

 

 

I don't understand what problem you're having here.

 

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Posted 14 March 2016 - 09:45 PM

Urk. Yeah, the WYSIWYG editor can produce... weird results sometimes. You can switch to the source editor by clicking the upperleftmost icon in the edit box (the one above the bold icon), remove the quote, then switch back.



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Posted 15 March 2016 - 07:00 AM

I'm just not going to use it at all.  If anyone needs to know where the quote came from, they can go back and read - which I would assume would also be problematic for cohesion's sake but, I already have problems trying to piece together words and that takes enough of my time.


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Posted 15 March 2016 - 01:13 PM

Fine, fine. Everything's back the way it was and now you guys can go back to creating your insane and completely unreadable quote pyramids. Happy?



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Posted 15 March 2016 - 02:37 PM

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The headers are still missing.

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Posted 15 March 2016 - 03:38 PM

I don't see anything missing.



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Posted 16 March 2016 - 02:47 AM

Ken Penders is a bad person.



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Posted 16 March 2016 - 05:13 AM

Ken Penders is Donald Trump.



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Posted 16 March 2016 - 08:54 AM

Trump actually faces people head on though.  Ken Penders runs away from confrontation.  I can't equate him to someone as big as Trump.  He's at least successful, while Penders is bottom scraping off of what he believes was success.  Trump is an ass, but that's much higher than what Ken is:  a bitch.


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Posted 16 March 2016 - 12:07 PM

Ken Penders is a bad person.

Ken Penders is Donald Trump.

Trump actually faces people head on though. Ken Penders runs away from confrontation. I can't equate him to someone as big as Trump. He's at least successful, while Penders is bottom scraping off of what he believes was success. Trump is an ass, but that's much higher than what Ken is: a bitch.


I know we all have some beef to share with Penders, but could you guys try to tone it down a bit?

We don't want to make this forum look like the hissy-fit tripe you'd find on other social sites, right? We can do better than that.

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Posted 16 March 2016 - 12:59 PM

I don't think HeavensChampion's post was (too) serious, and mine certainly wasn't. He was probably just trying to get the thread back on topic.



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Posted 17 March 2016 - 06:22 AM

I don't see anything missing.

 

Ah, nevermind. NoScript was to blame for my missing headers.



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Posted 17 March 2016 - 08:38 AM

I know we all have some beef to share with Penders, but could you guys try to tone it down a bit?

We don't want to make this forum look like the hissy-fit tripe you'd find on other social sites, right? We can do better than that.

 

EDIT:  Tone it down how? 

 

Also, not to cause trouble, but in my honest opinion, and objectively, we are already throwing hissy fits over a forum, just over different things.  This is like the third time I've been present where someone is asking others either not to engage in a conversation or to bring down the volume, and I'm sitting here thinking to myself ..... <_< ..... >_>  ....  "they're only words..."  This forum isn't active enough to bring about the kind of nonsense you'd expect to find at gamefaqs. 

 

I would encourage more conversation almost to any extent, possibly avoiding the explicit stuff if this place is trying to remain kid friendly. 


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Posted 17 March 2016 - 09:11 AM

By "tone it down", I mean not being potentially insensitive.

Yes, Penders has done a lot of damage to the franchise, but calling him a "b*tch" could imply a number of things. Some of which are pretty horrible.

I'm not saying you shouldn't say those words, but it is important to mind your Ps and Qs so that people won't misinterpret you.

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 10:07 AM

If by misinterpret, you mean, they misconstrue my inentions, then that's about fair, I guess.

 

 

If by misinterpret, you mean that they think that I'm insulting their demographic and get offended, then my policy on that would be "then just don't be, it's that simple".  I'm a stranger over the net, if you're taking my opinion seriously enough to catch feelings over it then you're priorities are severely unorganized.

 

I don't think it's very hard to find that I am calling him a coward by the context I was using.


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Posted 17 March 2016 - 10:18 AM

Having read other forum sites, their use of the word was often used to imply ill intentions.

It's easy to see how one could misinterpret that.

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 12:18 PM

Now I'm lost.  Probably due to my poor wording in the last post.  Bad intentions don't hurt people.

 

If the meaning is affected to a point where one can't possibly understand or says something totally different from what I meant, that's what I'm concerned about, NOT if they don't like my opinion based on the content.  It might be an asshole way to be, but you give an inch, people take a mile - what with how people demand you cater to their sensitivies - and something has to stay consistent.


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Posted 03 April 2016 - 03:09 PM

From what I've heard, Bollers and Penders did not like each other very much.

 

Yeah pretty much. I heard a story, so dunno if it's true or not, but basically Penders was a right prick to work with. Penders expected Bollers and other writers to follow what he had laid out in the series and what he was going to lay down in upcoming story arcs, despite the fact that Penders wasn't the editor. So he wanted them to follow his work and read his scripts, but he refused to follow any of their own work if he didn't have to. And supposedly knowing this, Bollers did that storyline which resulted in a bunch of Echidna characters being killed off by using them in those Egg Grape things. Ken was supposedly really butthurt about that. And if that story is true, then it's all the more awesome.


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