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#21 Wulfsbane

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:11 PM

CHANGING SUBJECT before we all murder each other.

I find it stupid how people dont want health insurance. In Massachusetts you are required by law to have insurance and no one complains here in Mass. And Canada has free healthcare... why cant we have that

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:24 PM

Make a big lie, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will belive it.

-Adolph Hilter

No matter how much Hitler was an insane asshole, he was so right about that! The Soviet Union have gain a bad reputation with time, but where all of that begun? One part of it was mainly because the US goverment have repeat over and over and over and over again how much the communism was ''EVIL'' (i'm looking right at you, Ronald Regan). With time, poeple start to belive it!
We have to look further in the history department in order to fully understand the overall political situation.
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-Part 1: New beginning for Russia
The Bolchevik party arrive in power in 1917, near the end of world war 1. With Vladimir Lenin in the head of the party, he throw royal Tsar familly out of the politic and they were eventually assasinated. It was the begenning of a new era for the Russia. The term ''Union Socialist Soviet Republic'' or ''USSR'', was born in 1922, was a system designated for many country under a communist society. Unfortunatly, Lenin die in 1924, and by the surprise of everyone, Staline took the power of the Soviet system. It was surprinsing for many reason, because Stalin was in a obscure place in the Lenin party. But nonetheless, he force to exile his opposant, and start new plan, for the future of Russia and the Soviet Replublic.

-Part 2: The Stalin Terror.
At the begenning, Stalin was not interest of full power or glory, he was interest to improve the communism system. Before getting too far, what is exactly the ''Communist''? The communist system is a system made to be equal to everyone. A system where everyone will have access to a good job, good education, good healtcare, etc. A society where everyone will have a good and equal life. The rich and povrety will no longer exist, and everyone will all enjoy a good life alltogether. Unfortunatly, things where not all that nice. The system install by Staline did make some serious improvement, but many thing were completely left to the dust. The industry does have improved but the population were growing and Stalin didn't do anything to help the population to find somewhere to live because of the growing lack of house for everyone. Instead of understand the issue, Stalin didn't accept that he fuck it up at certain level. Instead of looking of what went wrong and fix it, he said that his system was so great that it was impossible to fail. Therefor, the only reason was because someone must trying to ''sabotage'' it.

-Part 3: The Era of Stalin Insanity
Accusing innocent people of sabotage to his own disfonctionnal system, million of poeple die of execution. Since that, Stalin become greedy and was asking for power and everything went down to the shitter. This era have stand more or less until his death, in 1953.

.......to be continued

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:30 PM

CHANGING SUBJECT before we all murder each other.

I find it stupid how people dont want health insurance. In Massachusetts you are required by law to have insurance and no one complains here in Mass. And Canada has free healthcare... why cant we have that



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Posted 15 March 2013 - 01:36 PM

Sorry for the absence, i went to souper.

Back to continue my story and social system explanation.

So, as you can see, the Communist system is quite interesting: A social system where everyone could share a good and fair life. But Stalin fucked it up, BIG TIME! The system by itself is very good, and that's why i'm interest in it. You're probably asking yourself: But after Stalin die, why the system remain with all theses problem? Well, the answer is because no one have really done anything to change it. Those who have succeed Stalin let the system pretty much how it was, but just change few little thing here or there. But there is an another issue: The USA.

-Part 4: Politic interference.
After the end of the world war 2, the Soviet Union became a superpower, just like the US. The US work on capitalism, and Russia on Communism, and both of these nation was a superpower. So, they start threatening each other as being the ''EVIL'' ennemi of freedom and some shit like that, because apparently the world is too small for two superpower. So when a nation is a superpower, they want more. It's call being greedy. US want more power, but they can't because the Russia won't allow them to. Same thing on the other side: Russia want more power but they can't because the US won't let them. So this is why everything goes from bad to worse. Not forget all the ENORMOUS amount of bullshit propaganta that came up afterward.

-Part 5: Arbitrary point of view of justice
The United State goverment knew that the Soviet Russia was just as powerfull as they are, maybe even more. So with the help of propaganda, they try to convinced people that the Soviet are ''EVIL'' and they hate justice and freedom and all that crap. But from the Russian point of view, they were saying that the USA was ''EVIL'' and they are the ennemy of freedom and justice. But in the end, who is right? The anwser could easily be: NEITHER! They were ALL WRONG! All these two nation were acting for their own power, and to satisfy their own greedy obsession of MORE POWER! But both of these country was drown in a ocean of false propaganda, and in the end, they didn't have much choice but belive their goverment.

-Part 6: Nuclear solve everything
It's not a secret that the nuclear power is one key point for victory. The nuclear power is extrordinary powerfull, perfect to push your ennemi out of the road. So it's not a surprise to see the Soviet and the USA goes into a nuclear race, to see which one have a bigger di..i mean a much more powerfull arsenal. With a powerfull arsenal, they can make fear their ennemies, and fear is the biggest weapon in the world. More powerfull than the nuclear weapon itself. Those who make poeple fear enough, could make them do anything. The event of the radio broadcast of the Martien invasion of 1938 is a good exemple that people who fear something can possibly go out of his mind and belive the must absurb thing in the world. Religion is a good exemple too. How can you make poeple belive something so absurb like religion? Make them fear of something like hell, and they will bite. Like i said earlier, if you make a lie, and repeat it again and again, poeple will eventually belive you. That's also why the US and Soviet goverment were using this kind of lie propaganda, to hide their own mistake and to push people away from the true. Like the 1957 nuclear accident of Kyshtym for the Soviet, or the incident of 1964 in the Golf of Tumpkin for the US.

Part 7: The true behind the lies.
What is sad is how people accept the word of their goverment without questionning their position. We all have to know that it's okay to question the action of your own goverment, to keep them in check. Because a goverment who's constanly telling you the ''existance'' of a ''threat'', is more likely to be a threat himself more than anything. We can see this kind of bullshit in our modern time, like the war in Irak, where the US goverment where telling us that the ''ennemy'' have a huge bunch of nuclear missile, and they can use them anytime. Once again, it was a complete and utter LIE! But the sad thing is, this tactic work! Make the people fear, and promise them to keep them safe, and like sheep, they will be easy to manipulate to your advantage.

......to be continued

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 02:37 PM

So far, i have pretty much cover up the history part between the US and Soviet Russia. Now, i will talk about the society difference.

-Part 8: Better system...or not?
I have already talk about how the capitalism and soviet system work, so i don't need to said it all over again, but i will talk about the advantage and disadvantage of the two. Personally, i like the idea of Communism much more than the Capitalism, because the Communism aim to make a fair and more balanced society. Unfortunatly, the result that we saw in Russia was miserable, not because the system by itself is not good, but mainly because it was so poorly execute. For the Capitalism, it's more of: everyone for himself! It's more for personnal gain, less for the society itself. Corporation can persuade the goverment to give them loophole to escape the need to paid taxe. So for the less the big corporation paid, the citizen have to paid more.

-Part 9: More money for the rich and fuck the rest!
The United State have serious issue, one of them is how they attribute the money. If the goverment can balanced the taxe paid, they can make thing more...fair. But they don't. The more money you win, the less you will paid taxe. Which mean that the poor have to paid more, so the rich can be richer. Capitalism is mainly about money, and those who have money can get power...and will abused their power to get even more money. So in the end, Soviet is about equal share of eveyone and Capitalism is about ''all your money are belong to us (the rich)''. I know it's sound simplistic to said it like that, but in the end, it's pretty much what it is.

-Part 10: Money or economy? When the Nuclear go boom
Let's compare two different nuclear distaster that have happen during the cold war. One in the US, and the other in the USSR. With this, it set some exemple of the mentality of the system. The nuclear department is a good exemple because for these two nation, nuclear were very important to both of them. Which disaster i will cover? Chernobyl and Three Miles Island.
The nuclear disaster of Three Miles Island happen in Pensylvania, in 1979. So what's happen? For make the story short, it was a nuclear meldtown. The local population were warned that a difficult situation has happen in the reactor plant, and evacuation could be require for safety purpose. Fortunatly, the radiation gaz in the reactor chamber was contain, and dissolve. The crysis has pass and the situation return to normal. No one die and nothing have explode. So in this case, they were more fear than harm. But how it has happen? The Nuclear power plant of Three Miles Island was own by the Metropolitan Edison Company. Safety mesure was ignore for financial purpose. Not that the company was under financial problem, but rather because they didn't want to spent more money. In other word, GREEDY COMPANY WANT MORE MONEY JUST FOR THEM! But to be fair, the nuclear power plant is more reilable than the Soviet reactor. Like the used of reactor chamber in the US power plant, unlike the Soviet Industry.
Now, for the Chernobyl accident. The nuclear disaster of Chernobyl happen in 1986, in Ukraine (which was part of the USSR back in the day). During a test, the meltdown of the reactor cause the explosion of a part of the power plant. Two small explosion, followed by a tirth one (much bigger this time) make the roof collaspe. Hundred of Million of ton of radiation element contaminated this region. To this days, this place is still (and forever will be) a dead zone, impossible for human life. It's no doubt that the nuclear reactor in the USSR wasn't safe. No reactor chamber and the security rules were almost non-existent. Also, the reactor RBMK-1000 (the model used in Chernobyl, and in many other location in Soviet Union) are know for being unreliable. But why did this reactor explode? Only because of their lack of reliability? Nope, this disaster happen during a test. They have try to look how much electricity the reactor can produce during a black-out. So the test was mainly about productivity purpose. We all know how much it went wrong, but at least it wasn't for bad intention. They sould have give more concern about the risk of using nuclear product, but they didn't know that....yet. But for Three Miles Island, they were perfectly aware of how using nuclear is dangerous, but they take risk anyway. For what? MONEY!

-Part 11: My long text must end somewhere (final part)
So, with many misunderstanding between the US and the Soviet Union, i want to make one thing clear: none of them was a good or a bad guy. They were both different society with all their vision of what a good world could be. They are both responsible for crime against mankind or other. Both of these two system went wrong at some point or another. But despite the lies of ''how the Soviet are so freaking EVIL'', the Soviet Union was not better than the US, same as the US wasn't better than the USSR. They never was, they never will. But to this day, the Soviet Union is no more. The US have won the cold war, they have now no one who could stay in their way for their money grabbing corrupt politic. People have realise at some point that the war between the two was not really how their goverment have tried to tell them. So without a ennemy to fear, population didn't really trust their goverment as much as they used to.....until 9/11 2001. The perfect occasion for the Bush administration to abused the fear politic just like in the cold war and abuse his own people for his own power and for more money.

I hope that all of this was an interesting read. I could talk more about the cold war but i have to stop somewhere. I writte all that myself, based from my historycal knowledge on the subject (no copie/paste from a different article or anything). I hope that you have learn something good and have enjoy what you have read.
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The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

-Winston Churchill.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:37 PM

Make a big lie, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will belive it.

-Adolph Hilter

No matter how much Hitler was an insane asshole, he was so right about that! The Soviet Union have gain a bad reputation with time, but where all of that begun? One part of it was mainly because the US goverment have repeat over and over and over and over again how much the communism was ''EVIL'' (i'm looking right at you, Ronald Regan). With time, poeple start to belive it!

We have to look further in the history department in order to fully understand the overall political situation. The Bolchevik party arrive in power in 1917, near the end of world war 1. With Vladimir Lenin in the head of the party, he throw royal Tsar familly out of the politic and they were eventually assasinated. It was the begenning of a new era for the Russia. The term ''Union Socialist Soviet Republic'' or ''USSR'', was born in 1922, was a system designated for many country under a communist society. Unfortunatly, Lenin die in 1924, and by the surprise of everyone, Staline took the power of the Soviet system. It was surprinsing for many reason, because Stalin was in a obscure place in the Lenin party. But nonetheless, he force to exile his opposant, and start new plan, for the future of Russia and the Soviet Replublic.

-The Stalin Terror.
At the begenning, Stalin was not interest of full power or glory, he was interest to improve the communism system. Before getting too far, what is exactly the ''Communist''? The communist system is a system made to be equal to everyone. A system where everyone will have access to a good job, good education, good healtcare, etc. A society where everyone will have a good and equal life. The rich and povrety will no longer exist, and everyone will all enjoy a good life alltogether. Unfortunatly, things where not all that nice. The system install by Staline did make some serious improvement, but many thing were completely left to the dust. The industry does have improved but the population were growing and Stalin didn't do anything to help the population to find somewhere to live because of the growing lack of house for everyone. Instead of understand the issue, Stalin didn't accept that he fuck it up at certain level. Instead of looking of what went wrong and fix it, he said that his system was so great that it was impossible to fail. Therefor, the only reason was because someone must trying to ''sabotage'' it.

-The Era of Stalin Insanity
Accusing innocent people of sabotage to his own disfonctionnal system, million of poeple die of execution. Since that, Stalin become greedy and was asking for power and everything went down to the shitter. This era have stand more or less until his death, in 1953.

So, as you can see, the Communist system is quite interesting: A social where everyone could share a good and fair life. But Stalin fucked it up, BIG TIME! The system by itself is very good, and that's why i'm interest in it. You're probably asking yourself: But after Stalin die, why the system remain with all theses problem? Well, the answer is because no one have really done anything to change it. Those who have succeed Stalin let the system pretty much how it was, but just change few little thing here or there. But there is an another issue: The USA.

-Part 2: Politic interference.
After the end of the world war 2, the Soviet Union became a superpower, just like the US. The US work on capitalism, and Russia on Communism, and both of these nation was a superpower. So, they start threatening each other as being the ''EVIL'' ennemi of freedom and some shit like that, because apparently the world is too small for two superpower. So when a nation is a superpower, they want more. It's call being greedy. US want more power, but they can't because the Russia won't allow them to. Same thing on the other side: Russia want more power but they can't because the US won't let them. So this is why everything goes from bad to worse. Not forget all the ENORMOUS amount of bullshit propaganta that came up afterward.

-Part 3: Arbitrary point of view of justice
The United State goverment knew that the Soviet Russia was just as powerfull as they are, maybe even more. So with the help of propaganda, they try to convinced people that the Soviet are ''EVIL'' and they hate justice and freedom and all that crap. But from the Russian point of view, they were saying that the USA was ''EVIL'' and they are the ennemy of freedom and justice. But in the end, who is right? The anwser could easily be: NEITHER! They were ALL WRONG! All these two nation were acting for their own power, and to satisfy their own greedy obsession of MORE POWER! But both of these country was drown in a ocean of false propaganda, and in the end, they didn't have much choice but belive their goverment.

-Part 4: Nuclear solve everything
It's not a secret that the nuclear power is one key point for victory. The nuclear power is extrordinary powerfull, perfect to push your ennemi out of the road. So it's not a surprise to see the Soviet and the USA goes into a nuclear race, to see which one have a bigger di..i mean a much more powerfull arsenal. With a powerfull arsenal, they can make fear their ennemies, and fear is the bigger weapon in the world. More powerfull than the nuclear weapon itself. Those who make poeple fear enough, could make them do anything. The event of the radio broadcast of the Martien invasion of 1938 is a good exemple that people who fear something can possibly go out of his mind and belive the must absurb thing in the world. Religion is a good exemple too. How can you make poeple belive something so absurb like religion? Make them fear of something like hell, and they will bite. Like i said earlier, if you make a lie, and repeat it again and again, poeple will eventually belive you. That's also why the US and Soviet goverment were using this kind of lie propaganda, to hide their own mistake and to push people away from the true. Like the 1957 nuclear accident of Kishtim for the Soviet, or the incident of 1964 in the Golf of Tumpkin for the US.

Part 5: The true behind the lies.
What is sad is how people accept the word of their goverment without questionning their position. We all have to know that it's okay to question the action of your own goverment, to keep them in check. Because a goverment who's constanly telling you the ''existance'' of a ''threat'', is more likely to be a threat himself more than anything. We can see this kind of bullshit in our modern time, like the war in Irak, where the US goverment where telling us that the ''ennemy'' have a huge bunch of nuclear missile, and they can use them anytime. Once again, it was a complete and utter LIE! But the sad thing is, this tactic work! Make the people fear, and promise them to keep them safe, and like sheep, they will be easy to manipulate to your advantage.

So far, i have pretty much cover up the history part between the US and Soviet Russia. Now, i will talk about the society difference.

-Part 6: Better system...or not?
I have already talk about how the capitalism and soviet system work, so i don't need to said it all over again, but i will talk about the advantage and disadvantage of the two. Personally, i like the idea of Communism much more than the Capitalism, because the Communism aim to make a fair ans more balanced society. Unfortunatly, the result that we saw in Russia was miserable, not because the system by itself is not good, but mainly because it was so poorly execute. For the Capitalism, it's more of: everyone for himself! It's more for personnal gain, less for the society itself. Corporation can persuade the goverment to give them loophole to escape the need to paid taxe. So for the less the big corporation paid, the citizen have to paid more.

-Part 7: More money for the rich and fuck the rest!
The United State have serious issue, one of them is how they attribute the money. If the goverment can balanced the taxe paid, they can make thing more...fair. But they don't. The more money you win, the less you will paid taxe. Which mean that the poor have to paid more, so the rich can be richer. Capitalism is mainly about money, and those who have money can get power...and will abused their power to get even more money. So in the end, Soviet is about equal share of eveyone and Capitalism is about ''all your money are belong to us (the rich)''. I know it's sound simplistic to said it like that, but in the end, it's pretty much what it is.

-Part 8: Money or economy? When the Nuclear go boom
Let's compare two different nuclear distaster that have happen during the cold war. One in the US, and the other in the USSR. With this, it set some exemple of the mentality of the system. The nuclear department is a good exemple because for these two nation, nuclear were very important to both of them. Which disaster i will cover? Chernobyl and Three Miles Island.
The nuclear disaster of Three Miles Island happen in Pensylvania, in 1979. So what's happen? For make the story short, it was a nuclear meldtown. The local population were warned that a difficult situation has happen in the reactor plant, and evacuation could be require for safety purpose. Fortunatly, the radiation gaz in the reactor chamber was contain, and dissolve. The crysis has pass and the situation return to normal. No one die and nothing have explode. So in this case, they were more fear than harm. But how it has happen? The Nuclear power plant of Three Miles Island was own by the Metropolitan Edison Company. Safety mesure was ignore for financial purpose. Not that the company was under financial problem, but rather because they didn't want to spent more money. In other word, GREEDY COMPANY WANT MORE MONEY JUST FOR THEM! But to be fair, the nuclear power plant is more reilable than the Soviet reactor. Like the used of reactor chamber in the US power plant, unlike the Soviet Industry.
Now, for the Chernobyl accident. The nuclear disaster of Chernobyl happen in 1986, in Ukraine (which was part of the USSR back in the day). During a test, the meltdown of the reactor cause the explosion of a part of the power plant. Two small explosion, followed by a tirth one (much bigger this time) make the roof collaspe. Hundred of Million of ton of radiation element contaminated this region. To this days, this place is still (and forever will be) a dead zone, impossible for human life. It's no doubt that the nuclear reactor in the USSR wasn't safe. No reactor chamber and the security rules were almost non-existent. Also, the reactor RBMK-1000 (the model used in Chernobyl, and in many other location in Soviet Union) are know for being unreliable. But why did this reactor explode? Only because of their lack of reliability? Nope, this disaster happen during a test. They have try to look how much electricity the reactor can produce during a black-out. So the test was mainly about productivity purpose. We all know how much it went wrong, but at least it wasn't for bad intention. They sould have give more concern about the risk of using nuclear product, but they didn't know that....yet. But for Three Miles Island, they were perfectly aware of how using nuclear is dangerous, but they take risk anyway. For what? MONEY!

-Part 9: My long text must end somewhere (final part)
So, with many misunderstanding between the US and the Soviet Union, i want to make one thing clear: none of them was a good or a bad guy. They were both different society with all their vision of what a good world could be. They are both responsible for crime against mankind or other. Both of these two system went wrong at some point or another. But despite the lies of ''how the Soviet are so freaking EVIL'', the Soviet Union was not better than the US, same as the US wasn't better than the USSR. They never was, they never will. But to this day, the Soviet Union is no more. The US have won the cold war, they have now no one who could stay in their way for their money grabbing corrupt politic. People have realise at some point that the war between the two was not really how their goverment have tried to tell them. So without a ennemy to fear, population didn't really trust their goverment as much as they used to.....until 9/11 2001. The perfect occasion for the Bush administration to abused the fear politic just like in the cold war and abuse his own people for his own power and for more money.

I hope that all of this was an interesting read. I could talk more about the cold war but i have to stop somewhere. I writte all that myself, based from my historycal knowledge on the subject (no copie/paste from a different article or anything). I hope that you have learn something good and have enjoy what you have read.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

-Winston Churchill.


So, we really got the politics topic going. Cool. And impressive. This demonstrates the power of friendship. I'll come back when I have somehting relevant to say.
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#27 Alextendo

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 04:31 PM

So? What do you think about all that? My english wasn't too horrible (hopefully)? Did my article was interesting? Have you learn something out of my (long) article? Did that affect the opinion on the Russian politic for some of you? If so, how much? Did my explanation was good or need some improvement?

Tell me what do you think...

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:49 PM

Lemme read it first...
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:35 PM

Our main problem is that we're using politicians. And they're in it for their own gain. Step 1: Kill all the politicians. Step 2: Make it so that the new leaders can't really gain anything from their positions.

Projection: If Intruder Organism reaches civilized areas...

Entire world population infected 27,000 hours from first contact.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:18 PM

Our main problem is that we're using politicians. And they're in it for their own gain. Step 1: Kill all the politicians. Step 2: Make it so that the new leaders can't really gain anything from their positions.


They say they cut the Politicians money but they never will. I think im gonna start a Petition on We The People to solve this among other thing that NEED to be changed. Any ideas

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 02:29 AM

Our main problem is that we're using politicians. And they're in it for their own gain. Step 1: Kill all the politicians. Step 2: Make it so that the new leaders can't really gain anything from their positions.


That won't be enough, because the system work on capitalism. Money and big corporation are a main part of the politic. We can add regulation, but like Wiston Churchill said: If you have ten thousand regulations, you destroy all respect for the law.
So, the best thing that we can do is to change the politic entirely.

Also, did anyone have read my article on the Soviet/USA politic? I mean, it took me a good amount of time to write that and i hope that i didn't do that for nothing.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:55 AM

I read it. I still think we are (in ways) better off with our system now.

We need a more of a classic 18-early 19th century style American Government where our elected leaders wanted to lead for the right reasons instead of todays where they are there to make alot of money and screw the other guys

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“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 03:48 PM

I read it. I still think we are (in ways) better off with our system now.

We need a more of a classic 18-early 19th century style American Government where our elected leaders wanted to lead for the right reasons instead of todays where they are there to make alot of money and screw the other guys


The US really need someone good like Lincoln. But my farovite politician is none other than the British Wiston Churchill!

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

I like John F. Kennedy. We NEED someone like him

Lincoln is good too

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“Some say that he is the only man in history to buy a DFS sofa when there wasn’t a sale on, and that his favourite boxing venue is Munich airport. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:20 PM

Make a big lie, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will belive it.

-Adolph Hilter

No matter how much Hitler was an insane asshole, he was so right about that! The Soviet Union have gain a bad reputation with time, but where all of that begun? One part of it was mainly because the US goverment have repeat over and over and over and over again how much the communism was ''EVIL'' (i'm looking right at you, Ronald Regan). With time, poeple start to belive it!

We have to look further in the history department in order to fully understand the overall political situation. The Bolchevik party arrive in power in 1917, near the end of world war 1. With Vladimir Lenin in the head of the party, he throw royal Tsar familly out of the politic and they were eventually assasinated. It was the begenning of a new era for the Russia. The term ''Union Socialist Soviet Republic'' or ''USSR'', was born in 1922, was a system designated for many country under a communist society. Unfortunatly, Lenin die in 1924, and by the surprise of everyone, Staline took the power of the Soviet system. It was surprinsing for many reason, because Stalin was in a obscure place in the Lenin party. But nonetheless, he force to exile his opposant, and start new plan, for the future of Russia and the Soviet Replublic.

-The Stalin Terror.
At the begenning, Stalin was not interest of full power or glory, he was interest to improve the communism system. Before getting too far, what is exactly the ''Communist''? The communist system is a system made to be equal to everyone. A system where everyone will have access to a good job, good education, good healtcare, etc. A society where everyone will have a good and equal life. The rich and povrety will no longer exist, and everyone will all enjoy a good life alltogether. Unfortunatly, things where not all that nice. The system install by Staline did make some serious improvement, but many thing were completely left to the dust. The industry does have improved but the population were growing and Stalin didn't do anything to help the population to find somewhere to live because of the growing lack of house for everyone. Instead of understand the issue, Stalin didn't accept that he fuck it up at certain level. Instead of looking of what went wrong and fix it, he said that his system was so great that it was impossible to fail. Therefor, the only reason was because someone must trying to ''sabotage'' it.

-The Era of Stalin Insanity
Accusing innocent people of sabotage to his own disfonctionnal system, million of poeple die of execution. Since that, Stalin become greedy and was asking for power and everything went down to the shitter. This era have stand more or less until his death, in 1953.

So, as you can see, the Communist system is quite interesting: A social where everyone could share a good and fair life. But Stalin fucked it up, BIG TIME! The system by itself is very good, and that's why i'm interest in it. You're probably asking yourself: But after Stalin die, why the system remain with all theses problem? Well, the answer is because no one have really done anything to change it. Those who have succeed Stalin let the system pretty much how it was, but just change few little thing here or there. But there is an another issue: The USA.

-Part 2: Politic interference.
After the end of the world war 2, the Soviet Union became a superpower, just like the US. The US work on capitalism, and Russia on Communism, and both of these nation was a superpower. So, they start threatening each other as being the ''EVIL'' ennemi of freedom and some shit like that, because apparently the world is too small for two superpower. So when a nation is a superpower, they want more. It's call being greedy. US want more power, but they can't because the Russia won't allow them to. Same thing on the other side: Russia want more power but they can't because the US won't let them. So this is why everything goes from bad to worse. Not forget all the ENORMOUS amount of bullshit propaganta that came up afterward.

-Part 3: Arbitrary point of view of justice
The United State goverment knew that the Soviet Russia was just as powerfull as they are, maybe even more. So with the help of propaganda, they try to convinced people that the Soviet are ''EVIL'' and they hate justice and freedom and all that crap. But from the Russian point of view, they were saying that the USA was ''EVIL'' and they are the ennemy of freedom and justice. But in the end, who is right? The anwser could easily be: NEITHER! They were ALL WRONG! All these two nation were acting for their own power, and to satisfy their own greedy obsession of MORE POWER! But both of these country was drown in a ocean of false propaganda, and in the end, they didn't have much choice but belive their goverment.

-Part 4: Nuclear solve everything
It's not a secret that the nuclear power is one key point for victory. The nuclear power is extrordinary powerfull, perfect to push your ennemi out of the road. So it's not a surprise to see the Soviet and the USA goes into a nuclear race, to see which one have a bigger di..i mean a much more powerfull arsenal. With a powerfull arsenal, they can make fear their ennemies, and fear is the bigger weapon in the world. More powerfull than the nuclear weapon itself. Those who make poeple fear enough, could make them do anything. The event of the radio broadcast of the Martien invasion of 1938 is a good exemple that people who fear something can possibly go out of his mind and belive the must absurb thing in the world. Religion is a good exemple too. How can you make poeple belive something so absurb like religion? Make them fear of something like hell, and they will bite. Like i said earlier, if you make a lie, and repeat it again and again, poeple will eventually belive you. That's also why the US and Soviet goverment were using this kind of lie propaganda, to hide their own mistake and to push people away from the true. Like the 1957 nuclear accident of Kishtim for the Soviet, or the incident of 1964 in the Golf of Tumpkin for the US.

Part 5: The true behind the lies.
What is sad is how people accept the word of their goverment without questionning their position. We all have to know that it's okay to question the action of your own goverment, to keep them in check. Because a goverment who's constanly telling you the ''existance'' of a ''threat'', is more likely to be a threat himself more than anything. We can see this kind of bullshit in our modern time, like the war in Irak, where the US goverment where telling us that the ''ennemy'' have a huge bunch of nuclear missile, and they can use them anytime. Once again, it was a complete and utter LIE! But the sad thing is, this tactic work! Make the people fear, and promise them to keep them safe, and like sheep, they will be easy to manipulate to your advantage.

So far, i have pretty much cover up the history part between the US and Soviet Russia. Now, i will talk about the society difference.

-Part 6: Better system...or not?
I have already talk about how the capitalism and soviet system work, so i don't need to said it all over again, but i will talk about the advantage and disadvantage of the two. Personally, i like the idea of Communism much more than the Capitalism, because the Communism aim to make a fair ans more balanced society. Unfortunatly, the result that we saw in Russia was miserable, not because the system by itself is not good, but mainly because it was so poorly execute. For the Capitalism, it's more of: everyone for himself! It's more for personnal gain, less for the society itself. Corporation can persuade the goverment to give them loophole to escape the need to paid taxe. So for the less the big corporation paid, the citizen have to paid more.

-Part 7: More money for the rich and fuck the rest!
The United State have serious issue, one of them is how they attribute the money. If the goverment can balanced the taxe paid, they can make thing more...fair. But they don't. The more money you win, the less you will paid taxe. Which mean that the poor have to paid more, so the rich can be richer. Capitalism is mainly about money, and those who have money can get power...and will abused their power to get even more money. So in the end, Soviet is about equal share of eveyone and Capitalism is about ''all your money are belong to us (the rich)''. I know it's sound simplistic to said it like that, but in the end, it's pretty much what it is.

-Part 8: Money or economy? When the Nuclear go boom
Let's compare two different nuclear distaster that have happen during the cold war. One in the US, and the other in the USSR. With this, it set some exemple of the mentality of the system. The nuclear department is a good exemple because for these two nation, nuclear were very important to both of them. Which disaster i will cover? Chernobyl and Three Miles Island.
The nuclear disaster of Three Miles Island happen in Pensylvania, in 1979. So what's happen? For make the story short, it was a nuclear meldtown. The local population were warned that a difficult situation has happen in the reactor plant, and evacuation could be require for safety purpose. Fortunatly, the radiation gaz in the reactor chamber was contain, and dissolve. The crysis has pass and the situation return to normal. No one die and nothing have explode. So in this case, they were more fear than harm. But how it has happen? The Nuclear power plant of Three Miles Island was own by the Metropolitan Edison Company. Safety mesure was ignore for financial purpose. Not that the company was under financial problem, but rather because they didn't want to spent more money. In other word, GREEDY COMPANY WANT MORE MONEY JUST FOR THEM! But to be fair, the nuclear power plant is more reilable than the Soviet reactor. Like the used of reactor chamber in the US power plant, unlike the Soviet Industry.
Now, for the Chernobyl accident. The nuclear disaster of Chernobyl happen in 1986, in Ukraine (which was part of the USSR back in the day). During a test, the meltdown of the reactor cause the explosion of a part of the power plant. Two small explosion, followed by a tirth one (much bigger this time) make the roof collaspe. Hundred of Million of ton of radiation element contaminated this region. To this days, this place is still (and forever will be) a dead zone, impossible for human life. It's no doubt that the nuclear reactor in the USSR wasn't safe. No reactor chamber and the security rules were almost non-existent. Also, the reactor RBMK-1000 (the model used in Chernobyl, and in many other location in Soviet Union) are know for being unreliable. But why did this reactor explode? Only because of their lack of reliability? Nope, this disaster happen during a test. They have try to look how much electricity the reactor can produce during a black-out. So the test was mainly about productivity purpose. We all know how much it went wrong, but at least it wasn't for bad intention. They sould have give more concern about the risk of using nuclear product, but they didn't know that....yet. But for Three Miles Island, they were perfectly aware of how using nuclear is dangerous, but they take risk anyway. For what? MONEY!

-Part 9: My long text must end somewhere (final part)
So, with many misunderstanding between the US and the Soviet Union, i want to make one thing clear: none of them was a good or a bad guy. They were both different society with all their vision of what a good world could be. They are both responsible for crime against mankind or other. Both of these two system went wrong at some point or another. But despite the lies of ''how the Soviet are so freaking EVIL'', the Soviet Union was not better than the US, same as the US wasn't better than the USSR. They never was, they never will. But to this day, the Soviet Union is no more. The US have won the cold war, they have now no one who could stay in their way for their money grabbing corrupt politic. People have realise at some point that the war between the two was not really how their goverment have tried to tell them. So without a ennemy to fear, population didn't really trust their goverment as much as they used to.....until 9/11 2001. The perfect occasion for the Bush administration to abused the fear politic just like in the cold war and abuse his own people for his own power and for more money.

I hope that all of this was an interesting read. I could talk more about the cold war but i have to stop somewhere. I writte all that myself, based from my historycal knowledge on the subject (no copie/paste from a different article or anything). I hope that you have learn something good and have enjoy what you have read.
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The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

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Okay, so I read the article. There aren't so many errors that renders the srticle unreadable, but setting those aside, since the spelling/grammar errors are unimportant, I actually liked the way it was expressed. Also, to explain the "scar" left in the communist system, we can take the example of George Washington. He, being the first preisdent, was in charge of setting up the role of the president, how the president should act, etc... In the case of Satlin, he screwed up the Solviet (communist) system, and those who followed assumed "oh, this must be how the communist system works, because that's hoe Stalin made it work". However, that's not how Stalin intended for it to work. Alas, Stalin is dead, and (almost) nothing can be done to fix the errors of the past.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:23 PM

To Uncle Ben,

One thing that the US goverment can do, is take the money out of the politic...but they are not going to do it. Big corporation give big favor to the politician to get big favor in return.

To Skylar,

In fact, Stalin was the second leader of the Soviet Union (the first was Lenin). But what you said about him is true, sadly true. This is generaly a big misunderstanding to the Soviet system, to compare it to Stalin and only him. The ideology behind the Communist is great. Heck, i like it much more than the Capitalist. If someone would call me a Communism, i won't be offense at all. But ignore the problem in Soviet Russia would just be denial, which i'm not. The main problem was how it was executed. But in our modern time, it's sad to see how being a ''communist'' is now see as an insult.

If we look at the Nazi Germany (1933-1945), their system was the ''National Socialist''. In this case, it wasn't a situation of a ''good politic badly execute'', because the structure itself of this idiology was based of geonocide. So in some case like this, it was bad from the go, it wasn't a bad execution. The Soviet Communism was a very cool idea, but very poorly done.

''I actually liked the way it was expressed''

Thanks :) . It's always nice to heard, especially with the time it took me to write all that. Also, i have edit my previous message more than twice to correct some mistake or add a little something here or there.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:36 PM

Well, here's today's math lesson.

Money = power

Land = power

Here's the problem:

The "American Way" is based on Manifest Destiny, which originally meant moving west ward. So, if land = equals power, then wouldn't that mean the Manifest Destiny, the "American Way", is based on power? Well, we lied, cheated and stole (and fought) to get that land we have today.

Okay, so we have all this alnd, and we can't get anymore power in order to Manifest Destiny. Well, I wonder how we're going to get power. Oh yeah, through money, of course. Money equals power. So, according to math, and history, along with logic, the American Way is based on power.

Also, just as a side note, the Capitalist system is more like this: "Oh, you have the money, and you want to do that? Well, go ahead, for all I care..." which is pretty much what Alex said.
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Posted 25 June 2013 - 10:43 AM

Wouah, there's alot of dust in this topic. No one talked here since awhile.

 

Let push this dust out and add something:

 

 

There! What do you think? This is the ''Country of Freedom'' and the ''American's Dream''?


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:23 AM

The only way to make a classless society work (communism) is to remove the one core element that drives humans: greed. Granted, it would be nice if everyone was able to live in a communal sense (hence the root word in communism). However, with the introduction of a classless society comes individuals who quickly realize that they can maneuver themselves into positions and assert great control, thereby dividing the country into very two distinct classes: the people and their provider. Recall that a government big enough to give you anything is also big enough to take everything away. As long as humans are greedy and motivated by the drive to live how they want to, communism cannot work unfortunately.

 

The problem with a democratic republic is the way that voting works. I recommend that everyone watch the series on voting by CGPGrey starting with this one: The Problems with First Past the Post Voting:

 



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:46 PM

One of the main issue with Capitalism, is: money=power. The more money you'll have, the more power you'll be able to get. And with more power you'll get, the more you'll be likely to used it to get more money. In the end, it's nothing more than a vicious circle.

 

With a Communism system, the money isn't used to get power, but instead used as a tool to help the society. With no class higher or lower, it's kind of useless to try to get more, since the system don't work that way. In a unequal system, people can become jalous of the fortune of some other, this combine with greed.....it's not likely to end up well.

 

I'm not saying that greedy is impossible in a communist system, but less likely to happen, mainly because of the more equal share of value. In capitalism, they need to removed money from politic, this is by far the main problem we got.

 

PS: Speaking of money, by curiosity, just a small question to anyone who is American: Did the penny is still used and made every year in the US? I ask that since the penny was removed in Canada since....i think a year already.


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