From the 1st epsiode of his Bumblekast Podcast :
http://www.saturdaym...3cb2acc932b1467
what are your thoughts?
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Posted 18 January 2016 - 11:34 AM
From the 1st epsiode of his Bumblekast Podcast :
http://www.saturdaym...3cb2acc932b1467
what are your thoughts?
Posted 18 January 2016 - 12:25 PM
Interesting... If anyone's getting worried, please listen to the clip first, as he makes it clear that this almost certainly isn't going to happen.
As to my own opinion... I would say I'd be for it, I think. It sounds like a fun idea, maybe. .... But I've always thought that if Sally was going to go for one of the female cast, it should be for Amy. That would just be a nice way to, in a sense, have peace after all the people pitting the two against each other like only one of them can exist. But I digress...
I have fairly strong opinions as far as consciousness, robotics, etc., and so Nicole stresses me out as a character for some reason, on some level, so I don't know... Plus, I feel like being in love with a computer, even a computer with consciousness, would be a potentially emotionally traumatic experience... But I guess that could be said about a lot of romance.
In the end, I'm with Ian; I think it's best to avoid romantic coupling when it can be avoided, because everyone starts getting obnoxious about that sort of thing. Sonic fans ruin all kinds of fun.
Posted 18 January 2016 - 12:57 PM
Posted 18 January 2016 - 02:41 PM
Right. As long as she's not together with Monkey Khan, I'm okay. And I don't think I have to worry about that anymore. I just... don't like Monkey Khan.... .... But anyway....
Posted 18 January 2016 - 02:42 PM
I'm against this.
I think this would be forced. Yeah post reboot you can say she's different but in reality it's not. It would essentially be a forced turn IMHO. There's nothing to show that a turn would happen. It would be akin to Fiona's heel turn all over again.
I know this will most likely never happen, but still I dont think it should happen to begin with. Sure we can talk about it and we can toss the idea around but I believe the more you think about it, its not a good idea to do.
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Posted 18 January 2016 - 04:48 PM
It really does sound forced, and I doubt SEGA would had ever allowed a gay character in their children's comic. It just screams "I have no ideas left on what to do with her".
Posted 18 January 2016 - 05:06 PM
I know this isnt going to happen, but if Flynn is running out of ideas (in general) then it may be time to bring other writers into the equation to help him.
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“Some say that he is the only man in history to buy a DFS sofa when there wasn’t a sale on, and that his favourite boxing venue is Munich airport. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”
“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”
Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. -Colossians 3:13
Posted 18 January 2016 - 05:15 PM
Posted 18 January 2016 - 05:25 PM
Making any of the characters gay does not work, because it was never part of their core character when first introduced.
Posted 18 January 2016 - 05:57 PM
Posted 18 January 2016 - 06:10 PM
Posted 18 January 2016 - 07:11 PM
After reading the comments, perhaps the comics are better off having no romance whatsoever.
That's not the issue most of the time. Half the time its done extremely poorly. The whole Tails/Fiona/Sonic triangle comes into mind of really bad romances in the comics. Remember, Ken Khan kidnapped Sally and later on she likes him romantically? Does she have Stockholm Syndrome in that instance?
I'm sure most people would have been fine with the romances in the comic if they were done right and not forced/unlikely under normal circumstances.
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“Some say that he is the only man in history to buy a DFS sofa when there wasn’t a sale on, and that his favourite boxing venue is Munich airport. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”
“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”
Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. -Colossians 3:13
Posted 18 January 2016 - 07:38 PM
Changing a character "gay" is an easy cop out to establish a homosexual character. Rather than trying to make an interesting character who is homosexual, they belittle an already established character by ignoring any development they've had before that doesn't support this claim. Why eliminate already established development and "Creative juices" by changing a character when you could just make a new one which would likely be less offensive in the long run to long term fans?
The only positive is he isn't pawning it off on Rotor who is the easy out, like marvel did with Iceman from the X-Men.
Posted 18 January 2016 - 08:03 PM
Posted 18 January 2016 - 08:08 PM
Rotor is the easy out as out of all the main cast he is the least developed, least popular (not saying he isn't popular), and would create the least contradiction to past events. In fact Penders at one time had intended to turn Rotor gay explaining why he didn't spend much time with a female love interest. So it would be easy to pawn him off as the "token gay character" as they could easily just say he is and never act on it.
All I'm saying is I respect that he was intending to change a more popular character and not take the easy out. I'm not saying that it is a better option.
Posted 18 January 2016 - 11:18 PM
That's not the issue most of the time. Half the time its done extremely poorly. The whole Tails/Fiona/Sonic triangle comes into mind of really bad romances in the comics. Remember, Ken Khan kidnapped Sally and later on she likes him romantically? Does she have Stockholm Syndrome in that instance?
Changing a character "gay" is an easy cop out to establish a homosexual character. Rather than trying to make an interesting character who is homosexual, they belittle an already established character by ignoring any development they've had before that doesn't support this claim. Why eliminate already established development and "Creative juices" by changing a character when you could just make a new one which would likely be less offensive in the long run to long term fans?
Posted 19 January 2016 - 12:26 PM
I fail to see how "previously established developments" apply to a new continuity that has absolutely no connections to the prior one.
^ this
Lol, I knew I was feeling the calm before the storm.
Just to be clear, the reason I'm personally in favor of this isn't that it would make a statement about gay rights or anything; I assume most Sonic fans are past that debate, although I'm not sure.
The main reason for me is because Sally is a character that I personally care a lot about, since I sort of "grew up with her." And over the years, the whole Sally vs. Amy thing has become very tiring for me, especially since Amy is another character I like a lot. This has made being a Sonic fan a lot less fun for me.
Now that we have a new continuity, we can start out fresh.
... But whatever. I feel weird debating Sally's love life. It feels intrusive or something....
Posted 19 January 2016 - 05:38 PM
But why keep them at all then? Why not replace them with a new cast if their previous established personalities and identities don't matter?I recall reading that she showed him the error of his ways and convinced him to turn over a new leaf. And considering the amount of time that passed since their first encounter, it's possible that she might've grown more attached to him due to his personal plight to become a better hero.That's not the issue most of the time. Half the time its done extremely poorly. The whole Tails/Fiona/Sonic triangle comes into mind of really bad romances in the comics. Remember, Ken Khan kidnapped Sally and later on she likes him romantically? Does she have Stockholm Syndrome in that instance?
I fail to see how "previously established developments" apply to a new continuity that has absolutely no connections to the prior one. I mean, Eggman was never the freaky Julian or Robo-Robotnik in this reality, despite him technically being the same character. Their histories are entirely different, which makes him and the rest of the cast separate iterations.Changing a character "gay" is an easy cop out to establish a homosexual character. Rather than trying to make an interesting character who is homosexual, they belittle an already established character by ignoring any development they've had before that doesn't support this claim. Why eliminate already established development and "Creative juices" by changing a character when you could just make a new one which would likely be less offensive in the long run to long term fans?
Sure, they all got zapped with reminders of who they used to be, but those were only visions. It didn't affect their new identities afterwards.
The problem with changing Amy from "stalking" Sonic, is she would not be the Amy we've come to know and love. Opening up to someone else would have to be her ending story as that would end her growth.I fail to see how "previously established developments" apply to a new continuity that has absolutely no connections to the prior one.
^ this
Lol, I knew I was feeling the calm before the storm.
Just to be clear, the reason I'm personally in favor of this isn't that it would make a statement about gay rights or anything; I assume most Sonic fans are past that debate, although I'm not sure.
The main reason for me is because Sally is a character that I personally care a lot about, since I sort of "grew up with her." And over the years, the whole Sally vs. Amy thing has become very tiring for me, especially since Amy is another character I like a lot. This has made being a Sonic fan a lot less fun for me.
Now that we have a new continuity, we can start out fresh.
... But whatever. I feel weird debating Sally's love life. It feels intrusive or something....
Posted 19 January 2016 - 08:58 PM
And personally I feel talking about fictional characters and their love life shows how much we've come to love a character. We care who they end up with.
In hindsight that may have come out harsher than it needed to. I'm not saying that not wanting to be intrusive about it says you don't care, just saying that wanting to argue about it shows that we do.
That make sense?
Posted 19 January 2016 - 10:01 PM
But why keep them at all then? Why not replace them with a new cast if their previous established personalities and identities don't matter?I fail to see how "previously established developments" apply to a new continuity that has absolutely no connections to the prior one. I mean, Eggman was never the freaky Julian or Robo-Robotnik in this reality, despite him technically being the same character. Their histories are entirely different, which makes him and the rest of the cast separate iterations.
Sure, they all got zapped with reminders of who they used to be, but those were only visions. It didn't affect their new identities afterwards.
Part of the reboot and them briefly attaining their memories was to show us that despite their different pasts, they are the same characters.
I'm not saying anything in Sally's past says she can't be. What I'm saying is it is a cheap cop out to change an existing character and not just make a new one. I think Ian would have more success making a new character gay rather than changing an old one.
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