I find that hard to accept considering some of the more sillier designs that SatAM had as well.
I mean, if you paired them with Chip, they wouldn't look that out of place.
And honestly, I like silly designs. They're much more memorable and interesting to look at.
You seem to operate on a whole lot of false equivalence.... You think the designs are silly therefore they are conceptually silly and don't work in the show. I think the designs of Chip and characters like Cream are silly because they don't mesh well with the themes at play in the games they're involved in, aka, they're artistic polar opposites clashing and ruining the tone they're attempting to set - sorry, choose one. Choose both and you could potentially get Watership Down.
The overall tone of Satam still allowed for Snively, the dragon's, and Antoine's designs to fit into their universe. Hell, Ant's design is supposed to also be a reminder that they all once came from a 'kingdom'. I'm no fan of Ant's design but there's very little wrong with it. Not liking him doesn't mean he doesn't fit. He doesn't need to be liked to fit.
And while we're at it, you're defending the games, but seem to be painfully unaware or completely ignorant to the fact that Sonic and his friends stood out like a sore thumb in 2006, and pretty much every other 3D incarnation where he was paired up with normal looking humans. Like seriously, he looks like a walking plushie.
I don't need a girl to be naked in order to develop a crush on her, it's the personality I find the most attractive. And Sally' character, while stubborn, is engaging enough on its own.
That's a lot of assumption you're heaping onto me. One, you assume that I like her because she's naked. Two you assume that she has to be naked for me to like her. Three, you assume she's naked because she's bottomless and has nothing covering her chest. Naked is a term reserved for humans, since we have no sufficient covering. Animals have fur, or there need be some effort taken to see their genitalia, which is why for the most part you don't see us paying it much attention in day to day life. Four, you assume I dislike the idea of her having clothes at all, which is weird, because the inclusion of the vest in Season 2 actually blew my mind as a kid - her charm only increased adding more, and for the life of me I don't know why.
You should be glad you're talking to me, because anyone else would think that's downright FN insulting and start tagging you from here on out. But I'm easy going and it takes a bit to push me, and as I can see, you enjoy a good debate - me too - so I'll just address the points you're making.
Character traits from merely glancing at her:
- Cheery/cheerful (facial details)
- Cute (facial features)
- Sporty (the clothes)
- Looks like she belongs on a tennis court (again, the clothes)
- energetic (pose has energy)
- upbeat (pose exerts positive attitude)
- Dorky/nerdy (due to the hairstyle)
- Juvenile (face again)
- Spunky (standard dictionary definition:
adjective: spunky; comparative adjective: spunkier; superlative adjective: spunkiest
courageous and determined.
"a spunky performance"
Now let's compare with the original Sally
Or even better yet,
Since basically this is nothing more than someone expanding on the features that are already there and making them more noticeable:
- Mature (hair and face)
- Obvious leader
- Sassy (hair again)
- Serious/No nonsense (overall tone)
- Go getter (overall tone)
- Reserved (overall tone)
- Feminine (overall tone)
- Pretty (not cute in the same fashion)
- Fashionable (hair)
- Sideline character (don't expect her to knock down doors to kick your ass)
I expected for the redesign to retain these features, but they did away with them and/or even changed them to the opposite. Now the only thing I have telling me that she might still be of these qualities is how she acts, with a fashion clash that says different about her. Am I to believe I'm just too old fashioned? Nowadays people tend to look at characters like say, Bumblebee in Michael Bay's Transformers movies, who's both a retard and a badass and they don't bat an eye. Meanwhile characters who exude actual toughness and play the part get killed off, and yet again, no eye batting detected.
Again, I did say that she would've looked a hell of a lot better in something say, a nature guide outfit
Tried looking on google and gave up after about 3 minutes. The girl on the far right. Imagine her top was white, and either was midriff or was tucked into the shorts. Also imagine the shorts were denim or something, I dunno, they just look too thin.
The redesign isn't completely horrible. It could be spruced up to be a hell of a lot better. You could get rid of the gloves altogether, and make the pants extend all the way down to her ankles and the boots up to her knees, and you'd have a decent fitting outfit for her, though still sporty. You'd still have to get rid of that juvenile ass body of hers and revert it back to the original to get any kind of decent resemblance to the source material.
It gives the impression that she's prepared for action and ready to take one whatever threat is coming her way. And in a way, I find that sexier.
I'll be sure to call on a tennis player to come save my life if I ever get kidnapped by an evil madman, I assure you.
That happens all the time with various properties. I mean, take Batman for instance. A millionaire who dresses up like a bat to scare bad guys? That's a pretty silly idea when you think about it, but it can be interpreted in a great many numbers of ways.
That's more comic book campy nonsense that had a culture all it's own.
And really, there are some kids who like the more serious stuff. I mean, my brothers and I grew up watching old movie series that had gunfights and violent fisticuffs, and we enjoyed them like candy. So it depends on the kid.
It's not about whether you can be accepting of the material being presented to you, that's what I'm trying to convey here. It's about meeting artistic standards. You can like music that's composed by complete amateurs, but people who actually create music having learned the structure and the foundations may listen to it and notice all of the mistakes and bad composition decisions. It's why people who listen to well written music NOT SIMPLY FOR LISTENING PLEASURE BUT ARTISTIC COMPOSITION tend to hate easily thrown together crap like the majority of rap music....or inner city singers like Rihanna's "Work work work" song - seriously, there's like how many hundreds of videos of people who actually know a thing or two about making music making fun of that damned song where as the majority of 'average' people tend to like it.
Granted, Blaze's hair is more stylized and cartoonish, but the influence is still there.
Not really. She'd need to have one ponytail and bangs to compliment it, if going by your example picture is what I'm supposed to be doing here.
Wait. I don't get it. You complain about Blaze for looking like a black teenager stereotype, but you don't mind Bunnie acting like a typical southern damsel?
You're sending me some mixed messages here.
No. I don't like the "black teenager stereotype" because it's aesthetically displeasing - but let it be known that YOU coined the term, not me . You wouldn't want to put say, some random dirt poor village child from some 3rd world country into a story where they intermingle with people of higher standing - it just looks bad and generates a sort of depressing feeling towards them (this is the reason why I absolutely DETEST animes like one piece). In this case, Blaze just looks FN cheap, like she literally woke up, put on her best clothes, looked at her hair, said "F it", tossed in some barrettes and called it a day.
There's no mixed message, it's all in your head. A stereotype is fine by me if it looks good enough to be put on screen. Maybe you read RedAuthor's comment and confused it with mine.
No, that's not the case at all. Male characters have blob feet as well.
That's just another trait for all characters.
I would hope so. But I've seen cases where male characters had toes. I did see Chip depicted in the comic after all. Does he not count? I don't care if he had it in the games, again, everyone, or no one.
What do you mean by "different characters altogether"?
Exactly what I said. If they were different characters, these designs would be fine. That they are not makes those designs garbage as they aren't a good representation of the source material.
Good judgment and objectivity are pretty subjective opinions.
That's where you're wrong. I've said it above, but I'll say it again. There are standards and structures to be followed when making design choices in something artistic. Give a character with a color theme of pink, red and white, and expect anyone looking at them to throw taking them seriously out the door, because at that point the character looks like an FN candy cane. Heck, orange and black are halloween colors, but need a specific distribution to make it apparent. Mostly orange, depending on it's brightness and hue, with scarce black give's you a sort of charlie brown, while if you were to reverse it.... Well, the intended product occurs.
In my opinion, I like the newer designs. They're simpler and easier on the eyes, which makes them easier to draw (which was also the intention behind Sonic and Eggman's designs).
Their designs in the old continuity were too complicated and intricate compared to how Sonic was. Sally had long flowing strands of hair, Bunnie had too many cowboy accessories, Antoine's coat had too many elaborate details, and Rotor had tufts of hair, glasses, and a bomber jacket. There was just way too much stuff going on.
This argument that they're easier to draw now is actually a horrible thing. This generation seems to want everything to be easier. Forget putting work into your passions and hobbies, character designs are nothing more than a vector trace away. I swear, by the year 2050, people will be drawing stick figures and thinking them masterpieces, and demanding you take them seriously.
Ant's costume really isn't that hard to draw dude. It's basic and simple. Save complaints for drawing hands and feet at specific angles, then get back to me.
And it seems you have complaints of how they were drawn in the comic by different artists. Not sure how official they were, as most people simply draw Rotor and Bunnie in their original designs anyway *shrug*