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I can handle it, but why do you want to delete your account?

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How does one request the deletion of their account?

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I gotta join that then

@  Shadow : (14 May 2020 - 01:17 PM)

Sure is. A lot more lively than here.

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Oh shoot there's a Discord?

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It's a disagreement between two people...n judging what goes on in there sometimes that's a very apt description xD

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What's a Discord?

@  Nex : (25 April 2020 - 04:15 PM)

Activity is spread across forum, discord 'n the site chat room. There's life, it's just hiding under different rocks :D

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It's still slow. We ain't dead. Just close

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Wait, I thought this place wasn't dead, it seemed active

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I LIVE

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Ya know John, I wouldn't be surprised if it was me. At least I'm a bit more active these days

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Discod stays going pretty good

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Is the Discord busy? Still trying t figure out where most of you monkeys hang out.

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Well, I'll be chilling on the Discord. :)

@  John Roberts : (19 April 2020 - 12:32 PM)

It's just you, Wildfire. You're killing us mate!

@  wildfire : (19 April 2020 - 09:01 AM)

To be fair, there are more rapid forms of communication these days. The Discord server sees a far bit of attention. I remember the IRC too, but that's dead last I looked

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A shame. And here I'm finally getting back into the spirit of everything Sonic. Well maybe we just need to liven things up. :)


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Sega Doesn't Own The Post-reboot Stuff Either...?


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#1 sonicroc

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Posted 25 August 2018 - 03:17 PM

[Archie Comics headquarters, 2013. Ken Penders can be seen marching off into the distance with his characters.]

 

Archie: Whew! That was a fun lawsuit!

 

[Sonic runs up to Archie and hands him a stack of newly-printed work-for-hire contracts.]

 

Sonic: Here you go!

 

[Sonic runs off.]

 

Archie: Huh? What am I supposed to do with these?

 

Jughead: I know!

 

[Jughead eats the contracts. Archie and Jughead start doing the Can-Can.]

 

 

... That must be how it happened. If you don't believe me, listen to what Ian Flynn says here. Sounds like the post-reboot stuff is in the same boat as the pre-reboot stuff!


In other words, all material ever created for the Archie Sonic comic is legally off-limits to Sega. Raise your hand if you're still wondering why they revoked the license. xD

 

What this means, in practical terms, is that you won't be seeing the likes of Thunderbolt, Nicole [as a Holo-Lynx], or Eclipse showing up in the IDW series. 

 

Archie Sonic Online definitely softens the blow, and as far as I know, the DiC stuff is on solid grounds.  Still, it leaves me wondering what exactly is going on at Archie HQ, lol... 



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Posted 25 August 2018 - 07:07 PM

This was known for a bit. I think back in January he tweeted about not being able to using his post-reboot characters.

 

I mean he does say there's a very slim chance but this has been known for a bit.


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Posted 26 August 2018 - 09:19 AM

True, he did say that originally. But later on he clarified that the reason was that it was a new comic, that they wanted to let it be its own thing for awhile, and that down the line we might see some of the Archie stuff crop up.  We were never given any reason to think there was a legal issue there.



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Posted 26 August 2018 - 02:20 PM

I would guess Sega has some legal ownership of characters post-SGW to prevent another instance like Penders made but again, Archie has been silent on the issue since the contract ended last year.


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“Some say that he is the only man in history to buy a DFS sofa when there wasn’t a sale on, and that his favourite boxing venue is Munich airport. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 05:55 PM

Then you have precisely the same understanding that I had right before listening to the clip that I linked to above!  And that is why I came here to post about it!  xD



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Posted 27 August 2018 - 07:32 PM

It's a very odd situation.

 

I know Aaron wants to talk about it but there's a bunch of legal stuff that's preventing him from doing so


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“Some say that he is the only man in history to buy a DFS sofa when there wasn’t a sale on, and that his favourite boxing venue is Munich airport. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 02:20 PM

Indeed.  The nice thing is, it looks like Sega can do whatever they want with the IDW characters; I could see that leading to some cool stuff down the line. 



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Posted 07 October 2018 - 02:52 PM

Indeed.  The nice thing is, it looks like Sega can do whatever they want with the IDW characters; I could see that leading to some cool stuff down the line. 

 

Ehh, I'm not so sure. I doubt the IDW cast will ever appear in the games if they're following the precedent set by Archie. And even if they do appear in the games, you're gonna have a lot of fans upset that the Archie characters never got their due.

 

 

Though, Neo Metal > Metal Overlord.


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“Some say that he is the only man in history to buy a DFS sofa when there wasn’t a sale on, and that his favourite boxing venue is Munich airport. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 04:51 PM

Ian has confirmed on a recent podcast episode that he and the other creators had signed over the rights of all their characters to SEGA and/or Archie when they were writing the comics, meaning that the rights definitely belong to either one of the companies or are possibly shared by both.

 

And I think that might be the source of the problem.



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 07:46 PM

Considering it's a licensed comic, I would imagine SEGA would get first say in the matter.

 

And I was primarily referring to the Freedom Fighters. Sorry I should have made that more clearer. My bad.


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“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 09:03 PM

Considering it's a licensed comic, I would imagine SEGA would get first say in the matter.

 

But even if they own them, I doubt they're going to do much with them regardless.

 

I mean, they also own all the characters and elements featured in the American-produced cartoons and "Sonic X" (through their acquisition of TMS Entertainment), yet aside from the Archie comics, we haven't seen any of those characters appear in anything outside of their respective shows. I get the feeling the IDW series won't be any different.



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 09:12 PM

Basically my thoughts too. A precedent was set long ago, I doubt that'll change anytime soon.


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“Some say that he is the only man in history to buy a DFS sofa when there wasn’t a sale on, and that his favourite boxing venue is Munich airport. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 09:52 PM

Basically my thoughts too. A precedent was set long ago, I doubt that'll change anytime soon.

 

And even if there is a chance of certain characters appearing in the comic later down the road, they'll likely be entirely different compared to their more familiar depictions.



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Posted 13 October 2018 - 02:18 PM

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So, is Kattela, Scratch, That Monkey Bot, and other Archie originals off limits to Sega?


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 02:57 PM

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So, is Kattela, Scratch, That Monkey Bot, and other Archie originals off limits to Sega?

 

As far as I'm aware, SEGA does have legal ownership of them.



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Posted 13 October 2018 - 06:20 PM

While Dic did produce the characters, they are lock stock and barrel owned by Sega that were licensed out to be used by Archie due to them being useful to sell the comics and also no mandates since they never had plans for them in any games. That however I feel has changed now as they would most likely now be considered classic sega characters with Mighty and Ray, and thus be barred from being used in IDW.



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Posted 14 October 2018 - 05:57 AM

Oh, IDW being able to use them isn't of any concern to me.  Just wanted to know for my own purposes.  :)  Thanks guys


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Posted 14 October 2018 - 07:01 AM

While Dic did produce the characters, they are lock stock and barrel owned by Sega that were licensed out to be used by Archie due to them being useful to sell the comics and also no mandates since they never had plans for them in any games. That however I feel has changed now as they would most likely now be considered classic sega characters with Mighty and Ray, and thus be barred from being used in IDW.

 

Actually, the cause might stem from that license with Archie you mentioned. According to Ian Flynn, the main reason why he has been unable to utilize any pre-existing Archie characters or material might be due to the same legalities that prevent him from posting his "Lost Hedgehog Tales" documents for as of now - meaning that Archie might still retain some exclusive legal rights from their contract with SEGA.

 

If so, it's possible that we might have to wait for those licenses to expire before Ian can properly check to see if they're okay to use.



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Posted 14 October 2018 - 04:46 PM

I think for Lost Hedgehog Tales its less the characters and more taking script material Archie has copyright ownership over that Ian Flynn might get in trouble if he releases it on his own.



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Posted 14 October 2018 - 06:19 PM

I think for Lost Hedgehog Tales its less the characters and more taking script material Archie has copyright ownership over that Ian Flynn might get in trouble if he releases it on his own.

 

True, but it seems odd that certain characters which SEGA should technically own are restricted from use by legalities. Who else would claim partial ownership of them if not Archie?




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