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@  Ishapar : (23 May 2019 - 12:27 PM)

I know I haven't been around for awhile, but what did I miss? You guys started a patreon for Season 3?

@  ShenFNWoo : (23 May 2019 - 06:42 AM)

Don't worry, I gotcha fam 8-)

@  ShenFNWoo : (23 May 2019 - 06:42 AM)

Or is what happened the reason why it's usually dead around here? Zoom view past the incoming thunderstorm to make out microscopic details on the surface of the moon, when there's plenty of opportunity to notice both?

@  ShenFNWoo : (23 May 2019 - 06:39 AM)

@Kef, I'm reading context clues. That's how I know you're not interested. I can feel the low key disrespect from orbit

 

https://youtu.be/5EVCTpWTwEU?t=225

@  nzoomed : (23 May 2019 - 02:17 AM)

@ furrykef Good pointing that out on the cel, i see what you mean after looking at the intro. Its very possible this was an early concept cel and was scrapped. Possible also that they had decided to give her more prominent robotic legs early in the characters design perhaps?

@  randomizer : (23 May 2019 - 02:17 AM)

Satam is full of animation errors. This is one of my favourites: https://i.imgur.com/aYo73nh.jpg

@  Shadow : (23 May 2019 - 02:04 AM)

Their was a lot of color problems if you ever pause the frames of episodes.

@  furrykef : (22 May 2019 - 10:02 PM)

Okay, I just had a real close look at the intro. Bunnie holds that pose for two frames. In the first, Sonic's in front of one thigh and the other thigh is colored correctly (gray). In the second frame, Sonic covers both thighs. But I looked real close and I noticed in the first frame you do get a glimpse of Bunnie's hidden thigh... and it's brown. So I think the gray thigh was a separate cel that was overlaid to correct the colors, or it was corrected in postproduction.

@  furrykef : (22 May 2019 - 09:37 PM)

I mean, this is DiC we're talking about. We've all seen what kind of stuff has slipped through the cracks in their cartoons...

@  furrykef : (22 May 2019 - 09:36 PM)

That doesn't necessarily mean the cel is fake, but it does make me wonder. Maybe this was an animation error that got caught before they put the show on the air.

@  furrykef : (22 May 2019 - 09:34 PM)

As for the Bunnie cel, her thighs are colored brown like her fur instead of the robotic gray. The issue is on both sides of the cel.

@  furrykef : (22 May 2019 - 09:32 PM)

When did I say I was not interested?

@  Shadow : (22 May 2019 - 09:16 PM)

I'm not interested in being any kind of moderator and would rather just be a casual person to chit chat on there.

@  Wulfsbane : (22 May 2019 - 07:25 PM)

I know most, if not all of us, will act like adults but with a public server there's gonna be people, whether it's teens or adults, that don't act like the way they should.

@  Wulfsbane : (22 May 2019 - 07:23 PM)

As for rules, I don't think they should be totally laxed, at least at the start. Not saying they should be strict either. Just have enough that could be eased once the rhythm and flow of the server is established and can see how things will go

@  Wulfsbane : (22 May 2019 - 07:22 PM)

I think chief should be the one to set up the discord. I mean if there's gonna be a FUS server, it might as well be admin'd by the guy who owns the place

@  ShenFNWoo : (22 May 2019 - 07:03 PM)

Kef's not interested.

@  Shadow : (22 May 2019 - 06:58 PM)

How about Kef be admin?

@  nzoomed : (22 May 2019 - 05:06 PM)

and a discord channel sounds awesome

@  nzoomed : (22 May 2019 - 05:02 PM)

@furrykef I cant see any thing wrong with her legs. Are you sure you are not looking at the photo of the reverse side of the cel?


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#121 Sandata

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Posted 28 February 2017 - 07:53 AM

Man that is a hard choice. I think I'll feel better in the long-run with the size comparison pic if I can't grab both. Thank you again for making this offer!



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Posted 28 February 2017 - 10:16 PM

 

I did say first come first serve, so MidnightStar, pick the item you want. The Chilidog Stand and the Interrogation Room are the remaining background pieces.  Mokat, you choose next, then Prime. Sandata, you said you wanted whichever of those two model sheets didn't get taken, so at the moment that's your choice. You're welcome to change it in advance of anyone else, since you weren't sure you'd get anything at first.

 

I take it that it's your intention to give one piece of concept art to me, and one to MoKat?  In that case, I absolutely want the art of the chili-dog stand.

 

 

 

I'm afraid they've already got a crease in one of the corners, but it's not too noticeable. My fault. I will be sandwiching them in thick cardboard. I've got to pick up some extra large envelopes too. I've only got two big enough.

 

Out of curiosity, is that the crease that is visible on the right side of the scans you posted?  Also, is the concept art printed on standard printer paper, or is it a heavier card stock type of paper?

 

 

 

If you mean the strip of glare running down the middle of the palace interior, that's actually the way it's painted (either that or a defect from the copy machine they came off of; these are reference copies that were given to Ben for him to look at while writing, not originals). Otherwise, I've spot checked them. The colors all match. I even made sure there was no hair or noticeable dust on the scanner glass. Did them all at the same time too, so they should be consistent.

 

I see, well it is what it is then.  It must be a flaw in how they were copied, especially with the exterior shot of the palace.  If you go over to Saturday Morning Sonic and look at their scan of the same piece you can see the difference (Link here --> http://www.saturdaym...kgrounds/bg_18/).  Whatever happened, the highlights were absolutely destroyed in the copies you were sent.

 

Anyway, I hope I'm not excessively repeating myself when I say thank you again for this, Frieza2000.  This is really cool of you to do this.



#123 Frieza2000

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 08:19 AM

Yes, everybody gets one. So MoKat, your turn.

Is this what you mean?
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Yeah, on mine those are solid white. Though the colors on mine are more vibrant than their scan.
 

Out of curiosity, is that the crease that is visible on the right side of the scans you posted?

No, that's actually a scratch in the pages. It lines up on all of them, so that either happened in the mail or while Pat was putting it into storage. What I'm talking about happened well after I scanned them. Crinkle would be a better word than crease, and now that I look again it's more than just one corner, but it's mostly over the white boarder and not the image itself. Some time pressed between two books could probably fix it.

They're definitely not on card stock or anything heavy. It might be slightly better than printer paper in that it feels just a little smoother, but that could just be the age (or a better brand of printer paper than I'm used to).

#124 MidnightStar

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 05:28 AM

Yes, everybody gets one. So MoKat, your turn.

Is this what you mean?
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Yeah, on mine those are solid white. Though the colors on mine are more vibrant than their scan.
 

Out of curiosity, is that the crease that is visible on the right side of the scans you posted?

No, that's actually a scratch in the pages. It lines up on all of them, so that either happened in the mail or while Pat was putting it into storage. What I'm talking about happened well after I scanned them. Crinkle would be a better word than crease, and now that I look again it's more than just one corner, but it's mostly over the white boarder and not the image itself. Some time pressed between two books could probably fix it.

They're definitely not on card stock or anything heavy. It might be slightly better than printer paper in that it feels just a little smoother, but that could just be the age (or a better brand of printer paper than I'm used to).

 

 

 

 

Concerning the blown highlights: Yes, that is part of what I'm talking about.  With the palace exterior, the color is almost whited out (like that small tower on the left with bridge going into it) compared to what I am pretty sure it should be as compared with the scan over at Saturday Morning Sonic.  This is especially apparent with that tower in the background just to the right of the palace where it's washed out with a loss of detail.  You can also see this with the color of the dirt in the foreground as it appears to be almost white although you can still see a hint of the sandy brown color.  However, all I can do here is compare scanned images.  There is no true way to know what the actual intent of the artist was unless you were to get your hands on the actual original.  Although, I believe the intent was that the palace exterior have a slightly yellow tint accentuated by illumination with yellow sunlight.  In other words, if that place were real and you were looking at it with your own eyes you would see that the concrete (or whatever they are using to form the exterior of their buildings) is not perfectly white but has a slight yellow tinge in its actual color.  This is backed up by other images showing the exterior of other buildings in Mobotropolis.  As far as the palace interior piece goes, it's hard to say where creative intent ends, and highlight destruction begins.  It does appear that the intent of the artist was to show the interior brightly illuminated by the midday sun shining through what I am presuming is a dome skylight, and thus a lot of what is in that image is meant to look high key.  Although, I do wonder about the background in that image and whether the highlights got blown out compared to the actual original.  As far as I know, until now there have been no scans of that piece of concept art ever released by anybody so there is nothing to compare it with.  As far as color goes with digital images, any sort of issues with color can always be fixed so long as the base image is not already over-saturated and you have a good baseline range of tonality to work with.  By the way, I am looking at these on a 100% sRGB color gamut IPS monitor connected to my video card via DisplayPort.

 

As far as printer paper is concerned:  You do know there are various types of printer paper available, right?  I've got an unopened package of HP 130g glossy presentation paper that a family member bought by mistake when we were running low on paper once.  I decided to keep it in case I wanted to print off some photos I had taken with my digital camera.

 

Anyway, I have a question concerning quoting on the forum that maybe you could answer.  How do you quote select sentences from a post?  Do you have to do it manually using BBCode?  I only see the option to reply to a posting by clicking on the "Quote" button (or "MultiQuote") which quotes the whole post.  The other option that I see is the "Quote" button in the text editor that looks like a word bubble after which I then have to manually copy and paste the text that I want to quote, but there is no way access any properties to reference who I'm quoting, so it just says "Quote" instead of the username of the person I am quoting.  I see that you quoted a select sentence from me in your last message so I know this is possible.  But how?



#125 furrykef

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 07:44 AM

I usually just quote the whole post, then delete all the text I don't want.

#126 Frieza2000

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 07:53 AM

Clearly a videophile :).

 

I don't think it's as glossy as photo paper. Aside from regular paper, all I have for reference is matte presentation paper and it's not that. But I guess you'll see for yourself soon enough!
 

Anyway, I have a question concerning quoting on the forum that maybe you could answer.  How do you quote select sentences from a post?


See that light switch icon in the top left of the toolbar? Flip that off and you'll see the raw BBCode that you're replying with, allowing you to edit it. Then you can flip it back on to see how it looks.



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 12:43 PM

 

 

I did say first come first serve, so MidnightStar, pick the item you want. The Chilidog Stand and the Interrogation Room are the remaining background pieces.  Mokat, you choose next, then Prime. Sandata, you said you wanted whichever of those two model sheets didn't get taken, so at the moment that's your choice. You're welcome to change it in advance of anyone else, since you weren't sure you'd get anything at first.

 

I take it that it's your intention to give one piece of concept art to me, and one to MoKat?  In that case, I absolutely want the art of the chili-dog stand.

 

That's fine by me; I was seriously considering the interrogation room piece anyway.

 

{edit: Hmm...I cannot seem to get rid of that empty quote box for some reason *shrugs*}


 
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#128 Frieza2000

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Posted 10 March 2017 - 08:06 AM

Prime, if you're still interested I need your address.

#129 MidnightStar

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Posted 10 March 2017 - 08:25 PM

Clearly a videophile :).

 
I wouldn't call myself a videophile per say, but I did educate myself about a lot of this video and digital imagery stuff when I got into photography a couple years back.  I was in need of a hobby, and a creative outlet.  That, and my family didn't have a camera in the house for either photo or video except for the dinky little cameras on the phones that we had.  Well, driven by those two factors I ended up getting a Nikon D5500 (although in hindsight I wish I had gotten the D7200).  One of the joys of having a DSLR camera is that you can shoot in RAW format, and process your own photos with processes that are the digital workflow equivalents of working with and developing negatives.  However, in order to do this correctly you have to have a reasonably thorough understanding of exposure, dynamic range, detail preservation of highlights and shadows, white balance, and aspects of color processing (especially if your using RawTherapee).  If you don't, your attempts at processing your images will end up being work of shame. :)  Believe me, I know; my first images were terrible both in terms of in-camera exposure (I hadn't yet learned that exposure compensation is my friend) and my attempts at post-processing (I hadn't realized the importance of correctly setting the input color space).  Well anyway, off and on for about a year I went on what I call "learning binges".  Prior to getting into this, I really had no idea about any of this stuff.  I didn't even know how to use the histogram in terms of any practical application (hangs head in shame).  In hindsight, I wish I would have gotten into this stuff when I was younger.  I was never really into art and photography when I was in my teens, and I even kind of turned my nose up at it.  I don't have any family members who are into this stuff, so I was never pushed in this direction except by my own curiosity later in life.  Like with any field of knowledge, once you learn this stuff you don't go back to looking at things the way you once did.  You gain a perspective that will never go away.
 
In case you were wondering why I mentioned the monitor that I'm using, I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't making clueless observations about things on some horrible TN panel connected via an analog VGA connection. :)   I actually forgot to mention that it's a 27" WQHD LED backlit monitor.  High quality 4K monitors are still too rich for my blood; that, and I needed a monitor with backwards compatible connectivity which 4K monitors tend to not have.  I've actually only had this monitor since late January; the first of this make and model of monitor that I had gotten at Christmas time had to be sent back due to specs of debris in the screen as well as a backlight bleed problem.  This one has been really good to me though, and I wouldn't want to go back to what I was using before.  Let's hope that it doesn't decide to halt and catch fire.
 
Anyway on the subject of the concept art: other than the the aforementioned apparent issues with the highlights in those scans you posted, they really do nonetheless look beautiful on this monitor of mine, and I want to thank you again for posting them.  FYI, I use FastStone Image Viewer to view images on my system.  I hope I wasn't sounding too nitpicky in my earlier posts.  I just wish we could somehow get our hands on the originals and scan them using a professional grade scanner in the highest possible resolution for posterity.  My guess is that for every major background used in the show, at least one of these pieces of painted concept art was created.  We got a taste of some of it with the extras on the DVD set, but instead of just showing the art they insisted on trying to make it "interesting" by panning and zooming what they showed.  On top of that, because you're dealing with "standard definition" you are only getting a 640x480 interlaced image (or 720x480 expressed as a 4:3 aspect).  So you get to have a look at all this awesome concept art, but it's in the worst way possible.  I wonder how much unused space there was on those DVDs that could have been used to hold a directory containing scans of the artwork and any other files they might have been able to include.  But I guess that would have been too sensible, and we don't live in a sensible world.

 

See that light switch icon in the top left of the toolbar? Flip that off and you'll see the raw BBCode that you're replying with, allowing you to edit it. Then you can flip it back on to see how it looks.

Thanks for the tip.  This definitely makes things easier.  Of course there was a source edit button hidden in plain sight.  And of course it's the one button that does not have any help text appear when you mouseover it.



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Posted 17 March 2017 - 11:30 AM

All items have been claimed and sent. Aside from the international packages, everyone's expected arrival date is Monday. I hope everyone enjoys, you're all welcome, and barring any further complications...

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#131 Sandata

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:07 PM

Thank you again for doing this man!



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:10 PM

Stuff made it in! Hope everyone's as excited as I was!




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