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@  ZealousFoX : (19 May 2019 - 10:11 PM)

Is that you, Ben?

@  Wulfsbane : (19 May 2019 - 09:24 PM)

I'm not dead.

@  ShenFNWoo : (19 May 2019 - 04:10 PM)

I'm never dead. You all are, usually.

@  Shadow : (19 May 2019 - 01:07 PM)

Ah, some activity at last

@  ZealousFoX : (19 May 2019 - 09:41 AM)

Who's still alive in here, dagnabbit?

@  Tim J : (18 May 2019 - 05:37 PM)

IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE SEA3ON NEWS TODAY, GET YOUR BUTTS OVER THERE AND FREAKIN' SEE IT

@  Tim J : (17 May 2019 - 12:15 PM)

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

@  chief : (16 May 2019 - 07:01 PM)

http://www.sonicsatam.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8730

@  Kev : (16 May 2019 - 02:25 AM)

Does anyone n here do animation? If anyone would like to animate characters as a .png file sequence I could then drop them into / replace your characters into this rally cartoon, same goes for background art if anyone wants to help, you would get a name credit at the end.

@  furrykef : (11 May 2019 - 10:48 PM)

Don't post videos in the Shoutbox, please

@  Kev : (11 May 2019 - 11:21 AM)

@  Shadow : (10 May 2019 - 01:00 PM)

But it would still make for really easy, albeit shitty joke material to effortlessly put in since orange man bad jokes are all the rage.

@  ShenFNWoo : (09 May 2019 - 07:28 AM)

Rather get the answer from the source rather than someone's interpretation of it.

 

Though I would argue that getting political and attacking trump, even if just for a mindless laugh at his personality with no political intention at all would still come off that way and would be one of the dumbest things the franchise could do.

@  Shadow : (09 May 2019 - 03:53 AM)

@Shenfoo, Sunny summed it up. A version of Eggman who would make obvious nods and winks to the demeanor of things he is famous for.

@  Tim J : (08 May 2019 - 10:32 PM)

I'll just... leave this here: https://twitter.com/...305773330452480

@  ShenFNWoo : (07 May 2019 - 08:26 PM)

Wow, you're really not going to tell me, Shadow

@  Shadow : (07 May 2019 - 01:17 PM)

Not nearly as great as Infinity War but makes for a good two parter back to back.

@  Wulfsbane : (05 May 2019 - 03:53 PM)

Saw Endgame. Seriously, if you havent sen it yet, do so

@  Sunnyfruit : (05 May 2019 - 08:04 AM)

he meant the movie could have had a donald trump-like figure to get a free hit on, fortunately it doesn't (wasn't even a probability for such a huge IP anyway)

@  ShenFNWoo : (05 May 2019 - 07:48 AM)

As a donald trump leader? What do you mean?


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#41 HeavensChampion

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Posted 29 January 2016 - 08:08 AM

Ian Flynn also wanted to write a two-year long story arc where Sally's a robot and Naugus is king of New Mobotropolis. And do I need to bring up House of Cards? And he apparently wanted to spend more time tying up loose ends left by his predecessors and less time writing his own stories.



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Posted 29 January 2016 - 12:07 PM

Look, most of agree Mecha Sally was a very terrible arc.


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“Some say that he is the only man in history to buy a DFS sofa when there wasn’t a sale on, and that his favourite boxing venue is Munich airport. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

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Posted 29 January 2016 - 02:50 PM

Ian Flynn also wanted to write a two-year long story arc where Sally's a robot and Naugus is king of New Mobotropolis.


The Mecha Sally arc wasn't his fault. The lawsuit involving Penders and Archie forced Ian to stretch the length of the story till a settlement could be made. It was during the "Worlds Collide" crossover that they decided to reboot the series.

And he apparently wanted to spend more time tying up loose ends left by his predecessors and less time writing his own stories.


Why wouldn't he? The continuity made by Penders and Bollers before he came in was a complete mess. Who'd want to live in a room like that?

If I were in charge, I would've done the same thing.

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Posted 29 January 2016 - 03:42 PM

It was rather odd that Ian set a lot of things up but never really followed through on them. Mecha Sally had a strong emotional opening, but her purpose in the story became rather non existent as just another robot that Sonic eventually got used to thrashing. Naugus becoming king and using his magic to cause fear and paranoia was an interesting opening to his arc, but then he was quickly overshadowed by events that happened soon after and then became too weak to even be much of a threat anymore.



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Posted 29 January 2016 - 06:14 PM

It was rather odd that Ian set a lot of things up but never really followed through on them. Mecha Sally had a strong emotional opening, but her purpose in the story became rather non existent as just another robot that Sonic eventually got used to thrashing. Naugus becoming king and using his magic to cause fear and paranoia was an interesting opening to his arc, but then he was quickly overshadowed by events that happened soon after and then became too weak to even be much of a threat anymore.


Don't forget the "Engangered Species" arc. What a colossal disappointment.

Nearly all these stories were published at a bad time.

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 12:25 AM

 

It was rather odd that Ian set a lot of things up but never really followed through on them. Mecha Sally had a strong emotional opening, but her purpose in the story became rather non existent as just another robot that Sonic eventually got used to thrashing. Naugus becoming king and using his magic to cause fear and paranoia was an interesting opening to his arc, but then he was quickly overshadowed by events that happened soon after and then became too weak to even be much of a threat anymore.


Don't forget the "Engangered Species" arc. What a colossal disappointment.

Nearly all these stories were published at a bad time.

 

Blasted copyright system. But we're getting off topic.



#47 HeavensChampion

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 12:51 AM

Look, most of agree Mecha Sally was a very terrible arc.

Oh, you have no idea.



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Posted 30 January 2016 - 12:48 PM

Wait, everyone hated the Mecha Sally arc?  Yet another illustration of me being out of touch with the fanbase...  But I guess when I was reading it, I was like, I'm almost to the reboot!  (I got way, way behind, lol...)



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Posted 30 January 2016 - 01:28 PM

Wait, everyone hated the Mecha Sally arc?  Yet another illustration of me being out of touch with the fanbase...  But I guess when I was reading it, I was like, I'm almost to the reboot!  (I got way, way behind, lol...)

 

Hated is an understatement really.

 

 

It was despised. The most hardcore Archie Sonic fans hated it too


The Scribes, if anyone wants to join a growing community. Ask me if you want to know more.

 

“Some say that he is the only man in history to buy a DFS sofa when there wasn’t a sale on, and that his favourite boxing venue is Munich airport. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. -Colossians 3:13


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Posted 30 January 2016 - 01:44 PM

I don't read Archie Sonic these days, but I remember (before there was any of this reboot stuff) my first reaction was, "Hasn't this been done to death?"

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 03:19 PM

I know I'm probably in the minority when it comes to this, but I actually prefer the reboot.

Sure, the old continuity had elements that I'll miss, but in the end... was most of it really necessary? I'm all for the characters having family members, but did we really need to know the name of Knuckles' great-great granduncle's half-brother and the position of power he had? Snively is one of my favorite characters in the franchise, but does he need to be related to Robotnik in order to be considered a threat? Did Tails' parents really need to be alive the whole time and return years later? And aside from serving in the Great War, what else did Sherman Walrus contribute to the overall story? The only family members from the old continuity I genuinely enjoyed were Bunnie's uncle Beauregard, Sonic's father Jules, and Elias Acorn because they presented interesting developments for the main cast.

Sure, we'll never get to see our favorite couples form a romance together (except for Antoine and Bunnie); but look on the bright side. We'll also get no more annoying soap-opera drama, love triangles, or obnoxious shipping teases. And while it was neat seeing the origins of Mobius, when it was all said and done, where exactly did it lead to next? There are so many potential ideas to be used with that concept, yet hardly any of them were used. And from what I've heard, many fans didn't like the idea anyhow since it left very little for imaginative interpretation.

Perhaps it's my nostalgia of growing up with the games, but I feel much more at home with the reboot. It's much more simpler, has a better balance of game and SatAM elements (some of which are more faithful to the show than the old continuity), and I feel much more invested in its world. It has the occasional hiccups (i.e. "Worlds Unite"), but nothing to fret over thus far. The old continuity was a lot like the "Super Mario Bros." movie for me; it had neat ideas and interesting directions, but the execution was way off and it hardly felt like "Sonic the Hedgehog" (despite the main character being present in nearly every issue).

In short, I'm all for the reboot.

#52 HeavensChampion

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 03:15 AM

I know I'm probably in the minority when it comes to this, but I actually prefer the reboot.

Sure, the old continuity had elements that I'll miss, but in the end... was most of it really necessary? I'm all for the characters having family members, but did we really need to know the name of Knuckles' great-great granduncle's half-brother and the position of power he had? Snively is one of my favorite characters in the franchise, but does he need to be related to Robotnik in order to be considered a threat? Did Tails' parents really need to be alive the whole time and return years later? And aside from serving in the Great War, what else did Sherman Walrus contribute to the overall story? The only family members from the old continuity I genuinely enjoyed were Bunnie's uncle Beauregard, Sonic's father Jules, and Elias Acorn because they presented interesting developments for the main cast.

Sure, we'll never get to see our favorite couples form a romance together (except for Antoine and Bunnie); but look on the bright side. We'll also get no more annoying soap-opera drama, love triangles, or obnoxious shipping teases. And while it was neat seeing the origins of Mobius, when it was all said and done, where exactly did it lead to next? There are so many potential ideas to be used with that concept, yet hardly any of them were used. And from what I've heard, many fans didn't like the idea anyhow since it left very little for imaginative interpretation.

Perhaps it's my nostalgia of growing up with the games, but I feel much more at home with the reboot. It's much more simpler, has a better balance of game and SatAM elements (some of which are more faithful to the show than the old continuity), and I feel much more invested in its world. It has the occasional hiccups (i.e. "Worlds Unite"), but nothing to fret over thus far. The old continuity was a lot like the "Super Mario Bros." movie for me; it had neat ideas and interesting directions, but the execution was way off and it hardly felt like "Sonic the Hedgehog" (despite the main character being present in nearly every issue).

In short, I'm all for the reboot.

Fine. I still wish Ian Flynn did something better with Tails' parents and with Fiona.



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Posted 31 January 2016 - 09:28 AM

Fine. I still wish Ian Flynn did something better with Tails' parents and with Fiona.


What else could he have done with them? They were problematic characters to begin with, so adding anything else to them would've only created more problems.

Had I been in charge, I would've avoided using them altogether.

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 03:49 PM

Tails never really needed to have parents. I'd have written them off as being spies who died in the war.

Fiona I would write as a double agent playing both sides but out for herself.



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Posted 01 February 2016 - 04:03 AM

 

Fine. I still wish Ian Flynn did something better with Tails' parents and with Fiona.


What else could he have done with them? They were problematic characters to begin with, so adding anything else to them would've only created more problems.

Had I been in charge, I would've avoided using them altogether.

 

That is a matter of perspective.



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Posted 01 February 2016 - 05:32 AM

See, I liked the notion of them having parents. it made them a bit more relateable.

 

Issue was for me was the over-emphasis of Knuckles' family (looking at you) as well as Tails parents in House of Cards. I can go on about that one


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“Some say that he is the only man in history to buy a DFS sofa when there wasn’t a sale on, and that his favourite boxing venue is Munich airport. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. -Colossians 3:13


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Posted 01 February 2016 - 05:43 AM

See, I liked the notion of them having parents. it made them a bit more relateable.

 

Issue was for me was the over-emphasis of Knuckles' family (looking at you) as well as Tails parents in House of Cards. I can go on about that one

I can go on how Tails' parents being revolutionaries was completely unnecessary. Though you do have a point about Knuckles' family. It's like Ken Penders was obsessed with Echidnas.



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Posted 01 February 2016 - 07:44 AM

I know I'm probably in the minority when it comes to this, but I actually prefer the reboot.

I don't prefer the reboot but I do like the reboot.  Honestly it was the best option all things considered.  

 

 

 

 

Fine. I still wish Ian Flynn did something better with Tails' parents and with Fiona.


What else could he have done with them? They were problematic characters to begin with, so adding anything else to them would've only created more problems.

Had I been in charge, I would've avoided using them altogether.

 

That is a matter of perspective.

 

It is.  I have no problems with I have no problem with characters' having families.  It helps give character to the main cast, as well as interesting development since a large portion of them were raised as orphans.  

 

As for Fiona....meh.  Fiona was introduced as a robot, then made real, then made a love interest, then made a bad guy.  Nobody who worked on her really new what they were doing with her.  And because of her conflicting stories not everyone likes her for the same reasons.  I liked her better as a hero who was once a villain.  I think reworking her into a villain again was a waste.

 

 

 

See, I liked the notion of them having parents. it made them a bit more relateable.

 

Issue was for me was the over-emphasis of Knuckles' family (looking at you) as well as Tails parents in House of Cards. I can go on about that one

I can go on how Tails' parents being revolutionaries was completely unnecessary. Though you do have a point about Knuckles' family. It's like Ken Penders was obsessed with Echidnas.

 

Penders made up the entire echidna culture.  He had free range pretty much to do what he wanted.  Giving Knuckles a family originally was okay.  It wasn't until the Adventure Games where Knuckles established himself as the last of his tribe that it really became contradictory.  The biggest issue was Penders didn't try to work in the SEGA elements into his tribe so it starts getting awkward when Chaos or Tikal get involved.  

 

As for Tails's parents....Anything in the comic can be viewed as unnecessary.  Why make Fiona good if she was ultimately going to be evil anyways?  Why kill off Robotnik if you're going to replace him with another Robotnik?  I'm not saying the revolutionary idea was a good one, but even the ideas people liked can be viewed as unnecessary.  The best course of action would have been to leave Tails's parents dead and gone.  He acts as Sonic's kid brother anyways.  



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Posted 01 February 2016 - 08:26 AM

 

See, I liked the notion of them having parents. it made them a bit more relateable.

 

Issue was for me was the over-emphasis of Knuckles' family (looking at you) as well as Tails parents in House of Cards. I can go on about that one

I can go on how Tails' parents being revolutionaries was completely unnecessary. Though you do have a point about Knuckles' family. It's like Ken Penders was obsessed with Echidnas.

 

 

Actually them being revolutionary wasnt necessarily a bad idea. It was more a matter of one day they were like "Ohh i dont like how things are, Let's start a revolution." If it was shown over a course of several issues while slowly building up into something big then it wouldnt be a bad idea.

 

Basically what Red said. Penders had a lot of free reign in the comic but when Sega did the SA1 it kinda made a contradiction in the series and it didnt make much sense. You can argue that the game characters and the Comic characters were different but when you think about it they werent... save for Knuckles. Yet after SA1 the comic Knuckles nad game Knuckles were vastly different.


The Scribes, if anyone wants to join a growing community. Ask me if you want to know more.

 

“Some say that he is the only man in history to buy a DFS sofa when there wasn’t a sale on, and that his favourite boxing venue is Munich airport. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

“Some say that if you hold him in the wrong way he doesn’t work properly, and that just very recently he developed an irrational hatred of Rubens Barrichello. All we know is he’s called the Stig.”

 

Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. -Colossians 3:13


#60 sonicroc

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 11:43 AM

 

Wait, everyone hated the Mecha Sally arc?  Yet another illustration of me being out of touch with the fanbase...  But I guess when I was reading it, I was like, I'm almost to the reboot!  (I got way, way behind, lol...)

 
Hated is an understatement really.
 
 
It was despised. The most hardcore Archie Sonic fans hated it too

 

 
But why?  Were fans upset because they didn't think Sally should be roboticized?  Was it because it went on too long?  Or was it because of the reference to "Where were you when the brains were handed out?" 

 

Geez... It's so annoying that every time anything happens, everyone's in the background like "Rurururrruur rururrur!!!!"  I guess I'll just have to try to not think about that and enjoy the stories...


 

In short, I'm all for the reboot.

 

Me too!  But I guess that's been established by now...  But I think I now better understand why I personally prefer the reboot:

 

When I got the comic as a kid, each issue was special to me, including all the back issues.  As I go back and read them now, I realize that... they were horrible...  xD  But that's not the point!  The point is, the later ones, like the ones written by Ian Flynn before the reboot, are just one giant, blurry mess in my mind.  It just got too huge. 

 

With the reboot, I have basically the entire story in my head, and I can enjoy it as a story.  I don't think I've been this interested in what's happening in the comic for a long time. 

 

Which brings me to my next point........

 

WHEN AM I GOING TO GET SONIC UNIVERSE #82?!?!  :o   I've been waiting foreverz!  Has anyone gotten it yet?  I know there was a delay, but I'm starting to worry that my Archie subscription has yet again gotten screwed up somehow. 




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